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Lying Wonders: Allah’s Name Appears On Beef At Nigerian University


Texans can finally breathe a sigh of relief. The proof is in the pudding. Well, ok, it’s on the beef, if this wondrous sign of miracle meat is to be believed …

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”

By Saheed Salawu, Nigerian Tribune – “WHAT appears as the inscription ‘Allah,’ an Arabic word for God, appeared on a piece of meat in the University of Ibadan.

The incident attracted the attention of many who had visited the institution to catch a glimpse of the mystery meat.

A 200Level Biochemistry student, Miss Khayrah Ola-Kareem, residing in Queen Elizabeth II Hall of the institution, who is at the centre of the incident, said the meat was among other pieces that were brought by her mother on Tuesday.

According to her, she first noticed the strange sign after the meat simmered from boiling.

‘As the pieces of meat started to simmer, an inscription of God’s name in Arabic Language, which translation is Allah, began to appear on one of them. The more the meat boiled, the clearer the inscription became,’ she said.

Miss Ola-Kareem explained that she decided to fry that piece of meat in the hope that the sign would disappear, but it became more engraved after the process.

She said although she is a Muslim, she was shocked by the development.

The lady said it took showing her Christian floor mates the word Allah in its Arabic form in the Quran before they could believe her.

At a press conference held at the institution’s Central Mosque on Thursday, president of the Muslim Students’ Society of Nigeria (MSSN), University of Ibadan, Mr Alli Abdul Salam, said the incident was one of the signs of Allah’s existence.

He noted that the incident was not new, as there had been a series of such developments in the past, ‘which are signs for man to reflect on the power of Allah, as well as authenticity of Islam.’

The piece of meat is at present in the custody of the MSSN.” Source – Nigerian Tribune.

Flashback: Lying Wonders: Islamic Scholars Now Say the Qur’an Can Also Be Used to Cure Incurable Non-Muslims – “Here’s a wonderful update to this story.  As it turns out, the Qur’an can cure an infidel after all, even if they’re worthy of death and destined for hell, ‘the most vile of created beings’ (Qur’an 98:6). The only caveat, however, to invoke this miraculous healing by the power of Greyskull Allah is that you first pay one of the best of peoples so that they can recite it for you. (And it’s probably wise to hire a male, since men are worth more according to the Qur’an and possess twice the intelligence of a women, so you’ll likely double the bang for your buck).” Read more.

Flashback: Lying Wonders: Baby Boy Born In Nigeria ‘Clutching A Copy Of The Holy Quran’ Hailed A ‘Miracle’ By Imams And Islamic Scholars – “The most talked about issue in Lagos and Ogun states in the last one week, is the birth of a baby, who was said to be clutching a miniature Quran, in his hand, at the time of his birth… Residents and workers around Ijeshatedo had since the birth of the new baby listened to more Allahu Akbar than they might have done, probably in the last few years. Every new person that visited the new baby kept shouting Allahu Akbar [Allah is Greater]… Imams and Islamic scholars from different Islamic organisations and foreign missions, all paid their respect to what they described as ‘miracle of [Allah].” Read more.

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  1. 03/02/2013 at 11:53 PM

    “Signs” are the work of Satan…and ONLY SATAN!

    God and our Messiah, do NOT deal with “signs!”

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  2. croc_doze
    03/03/2013 at 12:53 AM

    alla was an uncouth arab named muhammad.

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    • 03/03/2013 at 10:08 AM

      Genesis 1:14, Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and for years,”
      We should not give too much credit to Satan. The only sign that GOD has granted Satan to perform, is the power to call down fire from heaven. Also scripture tells us that in the last days just prior to Yeshua’s return, that the there will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. These signs are from GOD and not Satan.
      In Rev 11:6,These (the two witnesses) have the power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have the power over the waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.
      I believe that we will see many signs that are from GOD, but, He has given us the power of decrement, to know what is from GOD, and what is not.

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      • 03/03/2013 at 1:28 PM

        Yeah…denise, I agree!

        I should have clarified my earlier statement about “signs” from God! You’re 100% correct, God has already told us through “prophecy” about the signs to expect. Whereas, Satan, uses people to say “this or that”…if you catch my drift!

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        • 03/03/2013 at 2:17 PM

          I caught your drift brother! The hour is late in terms of the coming of the Antichrist. When he is revealed, I fear that many believers will not recognize him when he is revealed. Many believe that we will not go through the tribulation. I sure hope that they are right. However, we are not appointed to GOD’s wrath, but, we just might be tested through Satan’s wrath, aka the tribulation.
          I think that I may have been mistaken when I said that the only power Satan will have is the power to call down fire from heaven. In 2nd Thessalonians 2:9, The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, I want to apologize for that.

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          • 03/03/2013 at 4:15 PM

            We ALL have to go through the “Tribulation”…the difference is that those of us who believe in God “know” this and are able to “wade” through it…while those that do not will have to make a decision!

            Take Care and God Bless!

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  3. Hotstuff
    03/08/2013 at 4:13 PM

    Abeg why is it that xtians never try to read other religious books except their so called Bible that tells us that God came down in flesh to commit suicide for the sake of mankind! Just for once….read a copy of the quran or the Torah of moses! U will c d difference between human text and a devine scripture!

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    • ICA
      03/08/2013 at 4:27 PM

      We’ve read the other texts. It is quite obvious to us which are human (the Qur’an), and which are Divinely inspired (the Bible/Torah).

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  4. Malik
    03/10/2013 at 7:35 AM

    I know that those xtian will not believe until God Himself comes down from heaven,they are jealous because there is no such signs in their religion,if you believe or not,God will continue to do His wonder and signs. Islam is the truth and the way………….

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    • 03/10/2013 at 10:07 AM

      Hi Malik,
      Honey, I’m going to say this as nicely as possible. So please don’t react, think first.
      Historically, and we’ll just start from 1948, when my people were brought back into the land of Israel; just as the GOD of Jacob had promised.
      Your people have attacked Israel multiple times. Every time, even though we were astronomically out numbered; you lost!. Where was Allah?
      Muslims claim that the Christians, and the Jews, have changed the bible rendering it useless. Where are your ancient manuscripts that prove these outrageous claims? Surely you can name at least two?
      There is an abundance of ancient scrolls available, in numerous museums through out the world, which prove the veracity of Torah. Then there are the Dead Sea Scrolls which also confirm the integrity of the Scriptures.
      If you want proof of miracles, bible prophecy provides many. According to the bible the Jews would be brought back into the land of Israel, in the last days. Miracle #1. The desert would bloom. Miracle #2. GOD would restore to us a pure language. Did you know that there are no curse words in Hebrew, and of course everyone knows that the Hebrew tongue has been fully restored to the Jewish people. Miracle#3.
      Now there is the issue of Messiah Yeshua; biblical prophecy says that Messiah Yeshua is that Son of the living GOD. That Messiah son Joseph, would be born of a virgin. That He would lay down His life as a “free will” offering for sin, including yours. Scripture also promises that He will return as the Lion of Judah, not as the side kick of the Mahdi. This prophecy will soon take place.
      The GOD of Jacob loves you, with the heart of a Father. And whether you realize it yet, or not; He is calling you to come home to Him, and to join your brother Jacob, and your spiritual brothers, and sisters, the ones who are grafted into Judah, and into Israel, through faith, and through the blood of Yeshua. i.e. Christians.
      There is going to be a family reunion that is beyond our human comprehension. It will be the most joyous occasion, and we don’t want you to miss it, so come; join with us.
      I will list the places in the bible where you can find these proofs. Also, I would encourage you to study the Feasts of the Lord. They are prophetic. Yeshua fulfilled the Spring Feasts with His first coming, and He will fulfill the Fall Feasts with His second coming. Another excellent recourse is; is elshaddaiministeries, there are discs that you can click onto to study the Feasts of the Lord. Here is a picture of Yeshua as he sinless sacrifice: Psalm 118: 22-28, The stone which the builders rejected (Yeshua) Has become the chief cornerstone. This is the Lords doing; It is marvelous in our eyes. This is the day that the Lord has made; we will rejoice and be glade in it. Save now, I pray O Lord; O Lord, I pray, send now prosperity. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! We have blessed you from the house of the Lord. God is the Lord, And He has given us light; Bind the sacrifice with cords to the horns of the alter. This is a picture of the binding of Isaac, which was a shadow picture of sacrifice of Yeshua, the Lamb of GOD.
      Genesis 3:15, Psalm 2:7-8, Romans 11, the whole chapter. Jeremiah 33:3, ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’ Call out to the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and you will never regret it. He promises that if you come to Him with a sincere heart, that He will answer you. It could be a gentle nudging from the Holy Spirit, or in a dream, or a vision. He keeps His promises forever! Have a blessed day.

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      • 03/10/2013 at 10:16 AM

        Malik,
        Read also; John 10: 14-18.

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      • Anonymous
        07/04/2016 at 3:01 AM

        The population of muslim in isreal is so much more than yhe one of christians… Check it and you will see it there

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        • 10/01/2016 at 6:49 PM

          @malik, hotstuff, ganiu, anon, and who knew…. Take a hike, all of you! You are all the BLIND leading the blind! You can put your trust in some “cooked-up” phoney-baloney piece of cow meat if you want to, “but as for me and my house, WE WILL SERVE THE LORD”! Now go peddle your LYING WONDERS to someone who is ignorant LIKE YOURSELVES–the bloggers on this website KNOW the LORD, “WHOM TO KNOW ARIGHT IS LIFE ETERNAL”! Jesus Christ offers us HOPE–your allah-god offers you nothing but fear, condemnation and bloodshed! Know Jesus–know Truth! No Jesus–no truth!!! And don’t you EVEN try and equate the Lord Jesus Christ, the LORD of heaven and earth, with your false “prophet”–mo-ham-DEAD! You are of all people on Earth, so misinformed and SO WRONG!!!!!

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    • 10/01/2016 at 5:50 PM

      We have many miracles in Christianity as well.

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      • 10/01/2016 at 7:08 PM

        @ingidm1958. Here’s a thought… If I were you, I would have ended your comment after the word “Christianity”… There is no such thing as an islamic “miracle”. Islam does NOT have ANY miracles–they are all, just as the scripture says, LYING WONDERS, inspired by none other than SATAN himself!!!

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  5. Mike
    03/10/2013 at 8:40 AM

    Hotstuff and Malik, actually, the Qur’an was an extension of Muhammad’s malignant narcissism. He grew up without the love of a father (which explains why he could not understand the Jewish/Christian relationship to God as a Father), without the love of a mother (which explains his hostility toward and selfish, sexual deviancy toward women and little girls). He was rejected and mocked by his peers (which explains his need for approval, fear of his real self being discovered, and retreating to the darkness and solitude of caves).

    He conveniently invented “revelation” whenever there was a question of him doing something wrong (which explains his narcissist tendency to repress his conscience, to not do anything on the basis of morality, but on whether it supplies narcissistic supply, approval from others etc etc). Instead of receiving actual, divine revelation, Muhammad in an effort to win over Jews and Christians, plagairized and copied from Jewish and Christian (among other religious faiths that pre-dated Muhammad) into the Qur’an. The picture so far, is of a desperate, powerless, insecure, selfish man who was not moral, not good, not righteous, not led by the one, true God but by his own carnal, sinful desire.

    There is much about Muhammad that shows him to have a social misfit when he was young, but when all else failed to convince others that he was a prophet, he resorted to murder. He was a criminal, a charlatan, a sick man. You follow the teachings of a mentally ill, violent, sick man who instead of being a model for goodness, only shows a constant willingness to corrupt all that was good, as long as it resulted in people worshiping either allah or him. Since allah was the superego extension of his narcissist self, this explains why allah conveniently never corrected Muhammad, but always approved of his immoralities.

    Who do you want to spend eternity with? A dead, murderous narcissist or a living Savior and Lord (Jesus)? The choice is yours. On judgement day, you will not be able to say you were not warned. Muhammad has lied to you Muslims. There are not 70 virgins in heaven. That is just Muhammad’s sexual deviancy, an appeal to the carnal self, completely sinful. In fact, all the characteristics of the Islamic “paradise” consist of all that is considered sinful and carnal on earth. Would a holy and righteous God lie? Would a holy and righteous Almighty God put you in a place of eternal sin? Think about it.

    Right now you are on the wide road to hell because you are following a false prophet who created a false god who has done NOTHING in all of human history to demonstrate love or compassion to anyone. But the one, true God of the Jews and Christians reached down into human history and DEMONSTRATED His great love and grace by providing the Way for all to be redeemed, forgiven and rescued from His wrath on sin and rebellion. He gave Jesus, the Son of God, to be the final, eternal sacrifice for sin, so that if you turned away from sin and place a trusting faith on Him, you will be saved, forgiven and can begin to know, to have a relationship with God as a loving and just Father.

    It’s up to you. It’s your choice. Remain a slave to the mental illness of a narcissist of 1400 years ago, or be set free from this madness and know the one, true God.

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    • 03/10/2013 at 9:51 AM

      “Very well put, ICA!”

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    • 03/10/2013 at 10:26 AM

      That was awesome Mike!

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    • ganiu
      12/13/2013 at 6:46 AM

      May the wrath of Allah be on you and all your living fruit for saying rubbish about our prophet and when the truth comes you shall blame your self for being among the looser

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      • 12/13/2013 at 7:26 AM

        There comes a point where as believers come to realize that we have ceased to exchange spiritual information. What we are left with is affording a platform for those who hate Yeshua and only want to promote their demonic god. It’s time to cut them off!

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      • Mike
        12/13/2013 at 12:49 PM

        Ganiu, I hope you are saved from God’s wrath. Only Jesus can take away your sin and the sentence of hell. I will pray for you to repent, and to turn to the Lord Jesus Christ in humility, begging for Him to forgive you…That’s why He gave His own life on that dirty, bloody cross…for you..I know He won’t turn you away.

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        • 12/14/2013 at 12:36 AM

          The scourge of Allah is already upon the world. Wherever the plague of Islam takes root, that nation rots from within. The stench created by the prayers and worship offered up to Islam’s god, Allah, fouls the very air, wherever that demonic call to prayer can be heard.

          The day is coming when Yeshua will cut off the head of the serpent, i.e., Allah, and that will be a day of rejoicing! Shabbat Shalom everyone!

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          • ganiu
            12/14/2013 at 9:05 PM

            Denis nd mike, I want you guys to remember the hearth quake that happen in japan 2011, after the disastee no houses,no churches was recorded standing in the area of that disaster.but no mosque was recorded mixing their they were all still standing nd no stain torches them.and the holy quran let us know that “even if we put disaster on any nation due to there non believing in God or for there sin,any thing that belong to Allah shall be saved their”,so friends is this also a lying wonders,I hug you guys to seat back and think so that you may be safed, jesus christ the is just a prophet don’t attribute him with God.

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  6. Anonymous
    03/26/2013 at 4:28 PM

    Allah says in the Holy Qur’an: “Deaf, dumb; they will NEVER return to the PATH.” He who has ears let him hear what The Lord of the worlds is telling His creations. Don’t deceive yourself Islam is the way to salvation. Islam: the religion of Jesus (A. S.).

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    • ICA
      03/26/2013 at 4:49 PM

      Hi Anonymous, thank you for your comment. As Christians, we have already been forewarned by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:4 against accepting the teachings of those who “preach another Jesus” or “another gospel” than that which we have already been given by the Apostles of Biblical Scripture. Whether it be the Jesus and teachings of Mormonism, or the Jesus and teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses, or the Jesus and teachings of Islam, they all fall well short of the Jesus and teachings of the historic Christian faith that was delivered to the saints. In fact, if anyone “or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:8). Yet according to Islam, the angel “Gabriel” gave another gospel to Mohammed which, instead of rejecting, he decided to accept. Moreover, Islam did not exist until 600 years after Jesus. It was impossible for Jesus to be a “Muslim”. The Jesus of the Qur’an (Isa) is therefore a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Qur’an is a fake. He is an imposter. A fairytale. The Jesus of the Bible, however, is God manifest in the flesh (and because He became a man He is referred to as the “Son of God”).

      Allow me to explain things a bit more. The Qur’an teaches that, according to Christianity, God acquired a son through procreation with Mary. In the eyes of Muslims, the term “Son of God” is believed to be, and is therefore understood, in a literal sense. But this misrepresentation is so far from the basic tenets of Christianity that any serious student of the Qur’an should begin questioning the veracity of some of the teachings of Islam on this error alone. The term “Son of God” in the Bible is an anthropomorphism and is intended to be understood in a figurative sense, not in a wooden literal sense. It is a metaphor to describe a relational identity. In John 3:16, Jesus is called the only “begotten” son of God (the Greek word monogenēs) which means “unique” or “one of a kind” or “one and only”. As Christians, we are all called God’s children (Matthew 5:9; Romans 8:16; Galatians 3:6; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5, etc.). But this term is an analogy to describe our relationship to our Heavenly Father. We are not literal “sons” and “daughters”. Even the angels are called “sons of God” in the Bible (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). But Jesus is called the only “unique” son of God in Scripture for a very good reason. In the Old Testament, before Jesus came as a child into this world, He appeared before His people as the “Angel of the Lord”. He revealed Himself in the burning bush that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai. He appeared before Joshua as the Commander of the Hosts of Heaven. And in the New Testament He is the eternal “Word of God”, called the “unique son of God”, because He is God in the flesh and there is no one else like Him.

      John 1:1,14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten [monogenēs] of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

      Also see Matthew 9:2 — Jesus forgave sins, something that only God can do. John 11:43-44 and Luke 8:54 — Jesus gave life to the dead, something that only God can do. Luke 8:22-25 — Jesus controlled the forces of nature with a single command, something that only God can do. Jesus repeatedly demonstrated His Divinity. Consider the following:

      Many verses forbid worshiping men, angels, or any created thing.

      * Acts 10:25,26 – Cornelius fell down to worship Peter. Peter forbade it saying that he himself was just a man. God deserves worship, but men do not. (Cf. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-18.)
      * Revelation 22:8,9; 19:10 – John sought to worship the angel, but the angel forbade it because he was a “fellow servant.” “Worship God.”
      * Romans 1:25 – People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.
      * To worship any created thing – whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) – constitutes idolatry. [In other words, worshiping anything or anyone other than YHWH the God of the Bible is idoloatry].

      Only the true God deserves to be worshipped.

      * Matthew 4:9,10 – Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.
      * Revelation 9:20 – Idolatry is forbidden because it constitutes worship of someone other than God (Exodus 20:3-6; Deuteronomy 6:13-15; Revelation 14:9-11). [See also Exodus 34:14]
      * Note: proskunew is forbidden when used for obeisance to men from a spiritual or religious motivation or purpose. The word is sometimes (but rarely) used in the New Testament non-religiously to refer to bowing in obeisance to a king, master, or other person in authority (see Matthew 18:26 – this usage is more common in the Old Testament).
      * When used for religious honor, however, worship is forbidden toward any except God. In this sense, “worship” is like “lord,” “father,” “master,” etc. The words may be acceptably used for earthly, physical relationships (Ephesians 6:1-9; Colossians 3:21,22), but we are forbidden to use such as religious honor to men or created things (Matthew 23:8-12). [On Revelation 3:9, cf. to 1 Corinthians 14:25]
      * The concept of Deity distinguishes the Creator from the creature. Things which are created do not have the unique characteristics of God, do not do the unique works of God, and therefore should not be addressed by the unique names of God nor should they be worshipped.

      But Jesus received the unique worship God deserves.

      He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

      * Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]
      * Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.
      * John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.
      * Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

      Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

      * Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]
      * Luke 24:52 – Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.
      * Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.
      * Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority – the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.
      * Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus’ own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity. [1]

      Here is sound logic that we can easily deduce from Biblical Scripture. If Biblical Scripture explains that only God can be worshiped, and if Biblical Scripture forbids the worship of any created being or object, and if Biblical Scripture does not forbid or rebuke the worship of Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ is therefore uncreated and is God in the flesh, according to Biblical Scripture.

      So did Jesus say, “I am God”? Not with those exact words. To do so could have gotten Him killed before the appointed time. But when the time was right, He began to affirm His identity and His purpose:

      Exodus 3:13-14, “Moses said to God, ‘Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?’ God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.'”

      John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.‘”

      Luke 22:66-71, “As soon as it was day, the elders of the people, both chief priests and scribes, came together and led Him into their council, saying, “If You are the Christ, tell us.” But He said to them, “If I tell you, you will by no means believe. “And if I also ask [you], you will by no means answer Me or let [Me] go. “Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.” Then they all said, “Are You then the Son of God?” So He said to them, “You [rightly] say that I am.” And they said, “What further testimony do we need? For we have heard it ourselves from His own mouth.”

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  7. Anonymous
    03/26/2013 at 4:33 PM

    Remember “Eli, Eli lama sabachtani”? Eli is the Greek word for God. Illah is the Hebrew word for God, Allah is the Arabic word for God. Think over this so as not to roast in hell fire.
    Allah is the God of all creatures.

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    • 03/26/2013 at 4:45 PM

      Introduction
      El Shaddai (Lord God Almighty)
      El Elyon (The Most High God)
      Adonai (Lord, Master)
      Yahweh (Lord, Jehovah)
      Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
      Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
      Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
      Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
      Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
      Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
      El Olam (The Everlasting God)
      Elohim (God)
      Qanna (Jealous)
      Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
      Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
      Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)

      Taken from the blue Letter Bible, Names of God. Notice that allah is not in here. allah, and Yahweh, are not the same period. I really wish you would realize that. God does not want any to perish but all to come to Him. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not allah. This has it’s origins in the moon god. Jesus said, “I Am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me.” Period. That settles it. God Bless, and I will pray for you.

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    • 03/26/2013 at 4:49 PM

      You tell him! And while your at it remind him that “alah” pronounced, allah, means; curse! Strong’s Concordance #’s 421, 422, 423.

      In Arabic “illah” means “god” and “Allah” means “the god.” In Aramaic / ancient Hebrew, it is “el” that means “God” and “Elohim” means the Gods, or Supreme God. So think about that! and while you are at it; stop yo

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  8. 03/26/2013 at 5:00 PM

    Amen Denise! And cudos to ICA.

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    • 03/26/2013 at 5:24 PM

      There is a woman who I occasionally bump into, on several Christian web sites. She always compliments everybody’s posts, but, she does this to disarm them. Slowly, she will begin sowing seeds of antisemitism and false doctrine. One of the statements that she liked to throw out there is that Jesus came to die, in an effort to “untie us in our common humanity.” She also brings up the “plight” of the “Palestinians” and then starts accusing Israel of various crimes.
      Whenever, I happen upon her, I call her a lier, and expose her, in as strong a manner as I can muster. The reason that I bring this up is to try and warn fellow believers of the spiritual dangers that are often concealed behind the wolves clothing. These Islam apologists, are Jesus haters, Christian and Jew haters. These people need to be called out from behind their satanic cloaks, to protect the sheep.
      Those who are not believers, but are sincere in their dialogs, those, we are to share the gospel with, and to lovingly teach.
      We are living in very wicked times, and so must be cautious, and not fall into the traps that Satan has set for us.

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      • 03/26/2013 at 5:37 PM

        Oh, you are so right! This false doctrine is starting to make a comeback, even within the churches. It’s creeps in ever so lightly just as you described under the banner of love, and then bam! They start with the Christ want’s us all to unite. Rob Bell is good for this, and he is making a big comeback. But I’ve noticed it with other evangelists too, one prominent one said recently, “Doctrine divides us, we should do away with it, and unite in Christ.” Very slippery slope!

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        • 03/26/2013 at 5:41 PM

          What’s really crazy, is that the bible clearly teaches, that in the last days there would be a great apostasy, you would think that they would be terrified to preach a different gospel.

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          • 03/26/2013 at 5:44 PM

            I know, but they do it boldly! And their so proud!

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            • 03/26/2013 at 5:56 PM

              It’s a stunning fulfillment of end times prophecy, is what it is! You can sort of see how Christians, who are appeasers, could view those of us who seek the “narrow path” to be thought of as haters, or lone wolves, who just want to separate the body of Christ. When in reality, it is they who are the wolves. Scripture says that they will actually turn us in to the authorities to be imprisoned and put to death. I’m starting to see how that could actually happen.

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              • 03/26/2013 at 6:10 PM

                Mathew 10:34-36 ‘Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn, a man against his father, a daughter against her mother,…a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ I think this applies to Christians also, and I’m beginning to believe the scroll given to John in Revelation to eat that tasted sweet, but turned his stomach sour, is the false gospel, that is being preached.

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              • 03/26/2013 at 6:44 PM

                It very well could be, I had never even thought about that. When I look at some of these Mega Churches going into apostasy I try to remind myself just how easy it is to fall. Every day I must learn more on what it means to walk by faith. It isn’t easy, I struggle with this all the time. I find myself in situations that I feel compromised. Like having to work on Shabbat, this bothers my conscience a lot. I know that Satan targets us, and it’s frightening to know, that it could very well be our own brethren, or family members, that Satan may use against us.

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              • 03/26/2013 at 6:48 PM

                I would hope not, but more and more I’m seeing that it could be possible. We all have to strengthen our Faith, because there’s coming a time soon, when that will be all we have.

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              • 03/27/2013 at 1:41 AM

                “FAITH” is ALL we’ve ever had!!!

                After all…we ARE “still” human and living on this Earth!

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              • 03/27/2013 at 7:37 AM

                That is very true, I was referring to the time when Christians will be scattered, everywhere, not just in the middle east. This will be a dark time. I can’t imagine the tribulation they are enduring. Many are running and separated from everything that comforted them. If we don’t strengthen our faith, many will fall away during this time.

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              • 03/27/2013 at 9:44 AM

                You have only “scratched-the-surface!” When you combine the convoluted Catholic Church, with the false Preaching’s of ALL the other “Christian” Church’s, AND the “CULT of Islam” AND then, ADD-IN the atheist, dictatorship’s, etc., you will begin to realize that it will ONLY be by a “Unifying” of ALL the people of this planet under ONE GOD and ONE FAITH, based on “common sense” and a standardized “Bill of Rights” for ALL people, that “WE” as the inhabitants of this planet, “WILL” find harmony.

                …funny word…huh! “WILL!!!”

                “Let HIS WILL be done!”

                Take Care and God Bless!

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  9. ICA
    12/13/2013 at 1:06 PM

    ganiu, “May the wrath of Allah be on you and all your living fruit for saying rubbish about our prophet and when the truth comes you shall blame your self for being among the looser”

    May the grace of Yahweh be upon you, and may you and your Muslim brothers and sisters come to know the real Truth that can set all of you free. Christ is that Truth, not Mohammed.

    Ganiu, what I say to all Muslim visitors, I say with all sincerity to you as well. Please think about this very carefully, because in light of the fact that even Mohammed himself did not know for certain what would happen to him in the afterlife, why should any Christian who knows beyond a doubt that they are guaranteed eternal life through faith in the Jesus of the Bible, give up the Christian faith of Jesus for the Islamic faith of Mohammed which we know will guarantee us nothing? You, too, can have the same guarantee that we as Christians share. All you have to do is believe in and put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. You sound like you sincerely believe you have the truth, so would you sincerely be willing to pray with an open heart and ask God to confirm what His truth is to you, even if that truth is found in the Jesus of the Bible, and not in Islam?

    Matthew 1:21, “She shall bring forth a son. You shall call his name YESHUA, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins.”

    John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten [monogenēs – “unique”] Son [YESHUA], that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

    Isaiah 62:11, “Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy YESHU’AH cometh; behold, HIS reward [is] with HIM, and HIS work before HIM.”

    Revelation 22:12, “And behold, I [YESHUA] am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.”

    John 14:6, “YESHUA said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me.’”

    Romans 10:13, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

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    • Anonymous
      12/13/2013 at 2:26 PM

      Inside the lords prayer even jesus siad forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespasses against us which means that even jesus count himself among the siners,so friend I do read the bible and I love jesus more than you becouse you don’t know the trouth about jesus christ so I beg you to take your time and read the holy Quran maybe God will show you the way.becouse jesus siad “I am the way no body can get to God exept true me”that was before the evolution of Quran so even jesus never called himself God and he never claim 2 be a christian, it was after he had die before 12 of his dicipul that form the christian just for them 2 use jesus name 2 convince peoples and 2 lead them astray, even if jesus comes back on which side will he be is it on the side of gehoval witness or on the side of the caltholic or seventh days adventhist or the selesstian or the apostolic or the redeemers so its better for you 2 seet your self down and reasson who God is if u don’t want 2 be amoung the loosers and I pray God will show you the way.

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      • Mike
        12/13/2013 at 3:13 PM

        To Ganiu (or Anonymous)… Your assertion that Jesus was a sinner is both unsupported by the Bible and contrary to what the quran says about Issa.

        In the bible, it is said of Jesus that He

        (1Pe 2:22) ….COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;

        and even Jesus himself asked those around him, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” (John 8:46).

        The implied answer of course, is no.

        The quran also says (for what it’s worth)…

        Surah 19 Aya 19

        Pickthall
        He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

        Yusuf Ali
        He said: “Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

        So your assertion that Jesus was a sinner is based on a gross misunderstanding of who the Lord’s Prayer is from and directed to.

        Also, your claim that you “love Jesus” is also false. You hate Jesus every time you refer to Him with the blasphemous name of “Issa”, every time you deny His true identity as the divine Son of God and every time you deny His atoning work on the cross, demonstrating God’s grace and mercy for all who will turn to Him in desperate humility.

        The qur’an says that if a muslim does not know the answer to a question about the Christian texts, to ask them (Surah 10 aya 94 and Surah 21 aya 7) and to not argue with them (Surah 29 aya 46). If you are a true Muslim, you will be content to learn about Christianity from a Christian, without argument.

        Now, Christians will educate you about Jesus if you are willing to obey the qur’an and learn from a Christian. If you are unwilling to obey the Qur’an on that point, then you must be unwilling to obey the Qur’an on other points, and you are not a true muslim.

        If you are not a true muslim, then that is good news because it is the desire of my heart that you come to know the forgiveness and mercy and new life that comes with trusting the Son of God, Jesus, as your Savior and Lord, the one who can save you from sin and from hell if you turn away from sin and unbelief (including the sin of islam) and put a trusting faith on Him.

        On your assertion that Jesus never called Himself God…In John 8:58, Jesus refers to Himself with the same name that God told Moses was His name in Exodus 3:14, so in that way Jesus was identifying Himself as God.

        Also, other Scriptures show Jesus being God, doing only what God can do and being called God by others.

        For example…

        According to both the Bible and the qur’an, God is the final judge of all people. Yet in Matthew 25:31-46, Jesus claims to be the final judge of all people. Since Jesus makes a claim that only God can truly make, Jesus clearly claimed to be God.

        In John 17:5, Jesus claims to share the glory of the Father. He says,

        “Now, Father, glorify me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

        Jesus Christ was referencing Isaiah 42:8: “I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another…” If Yahweh does not share His glory, and Jesus claims to share Yahweh‘s glory, then Jesus is claiming to be Yahweh (who is not allah)

        In John 8:19 – Jesus says, “if you knew me, you would know my Father also.” and ”

        (John 12:45) Jesus says, “He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me.” God the Father is equal to God the Son”

        These are just a very few of many Scriptures from God’s word that show Jesus claiming to be God, being called God and doing what only God can do. I would just invite you to reassess your claims in light of what has been revealed to you as truth from God’s word instead of relying on the quran’s flawed, misrepresentation of the biblical view. An example of such error is found in….

        (QURAN Surah 5, Aya 73-76)

        Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God.

        This verse is unequivocally a clear, obvious error in the Qur’an. Before Muhammad and after Muhammad even to this day, Christians never said and do not say that God is the third. Ask any genuine Christian today, and he/she will, like the Muslim, enthusiastically deny polytheism. Why is that? Because the Bible in many places is explicit and the Christian’s understanding is clear of their only being one God.

        According to the Bible, God is one, but can be distinguished in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. ….much like a man can also be a father, husband and friend at the same time. Muslims, why are you believing Muhammad’s misunderstanding instead of believing what the Jews and Christians have known about God for centuries?

        So you really need to reassess your argument against the God of the bible, who has a holy, divine Son, Jesus Christ. It was this Son whom the Father gave, to go to a dirty, bloody cross voluntarily and in obedience to the Father, satisfying the Father’s just requirement for punishment for sin, paying the price for the redemption for all who put their trust in Him. If you humble yourself, and come to the Lord Jesus Christ in humbled desperation, I know He won’t turn you away.

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  10. ICA
    12/13/2013 at 3:04 PM

    Anonymous, “Inside the lords prayer even jesus siad forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespasses against us which means that even jesus count himself among the siners”

    Jesus was not praying. He was teaching His disciples how how to pray.

    Matthew 6:7-9a, “… when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words. Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. In this manner, therefore, pray …”

    Anonymous, “… so friend I do read the bible and I love jesus more than you …”

    Jesus had something interesting to say to the religious rulers of the day, which applies to all.

    John 8:42, “Jesus said to them, ‘If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.'”

    How can you love Jesus when you deny the Father? And if you deny that Jesus is the unique Son of God, then the “Jesus” that you claim to love is an imposter. I love the real Jesus, not the fake one.

    Anonymous, “take your time and read the holy Quran maybe God will show you the way”

    As I note in my “Questions for Muslim Visitors” page, archaeological discoveries have repeatedly confirmed what Christians have already believed, that Biblical manuscripts and fragments dated even hundreds of years before Mohammed are virtually identical to the canonized Biblical texts we have today. The same cannot be said for the Qur’an, however, despite the claim by Muslims that the Qur’an has never been altered. Even honest Muslim archaeologists acknowledge that many aberrations exist in old Qur’anic texts, a forthright admission that runs counter to the Islamic claim that the Qur’an is unchanged and eternal. Contrary to the claims of Muslim apologists, not only does the Qur’an distort and incorrectly define some very basic Christian doctrines, it is also at odds with factual and observable science by presenting a flat earth model for the earth and universe, for instance (and Muslim apologists scrambled to re-interpret their book when science proved it wrong). Moreover, when Muhammad recited the Qur’an, he clearly stated that he did not believe that the Bible was “corrupt” at that time and called upon Christians to adhere to the Scriptures that they already possessed. But this begs the question: Since the Scriptures we have today are the same Scriptures that Christians had even well before the time of Mohammed, when do you believe the Bible could have possibly been corrupted, who corrupted it, and how was it corrupted? Not only that, please feel free to explain how and why anyone should seriously take a book like the Qur’an that isn’t even arranged chronologically, yet says to ignore earlier verses? What is your definition of “timeless” and “unchanged” and “unaltered”?

    Anonymous, “jesus never called himself God”

    He didn’t have to. He demonstrated it. Muslims misunderstand what the term “Son of God” in the Bible means, but it is an anthropomorphism and is intended to be understood in a figurative sense, not in a wooden literal sense. It is a metaphor to describe a relational identity, yet in no way diminishes who He is nor His Divinity. In John 3:16, Jesus is called the only “begotten” son of God (the Greek word monogenēs) which means “unique” or “one of a kind” or “one and only”. As Christians, we are all called God’s children (Matthew 5:9; Romans 8:16; Galatians 3:6; Galatians 4:5; Ephesians 1:5, etc.). But this term is an analogy to describe our relationship to our Heavenly Father. We are not literal “sons” and “daughters”. Even the angels are called “sons of God” in the Bible (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). But Jesus is called the only “unique” son of God in Scripture for a very good reason. In the Old Testament, before Jesus came as a child into this world, He appeared before His people as the “Angel of the Lord”. He revealed Himself in the burning bush that spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai. He appeared before Joshua as the Commander of the Hosts of Heaven. And in the New Testament He is the eternal “Word of God”, called the “unique son of God”, because He is God in the flesh and there is no one else like Him.

    John 1:1,14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God … And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten [monogenēs – unique, one of a kind] of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

    Also see Matthew 9:2 — Jesus forgave sins, something that only God can do. John 11:43-44 and Luke 8:54 — Jesus gave life to the dead, something that only God can do. Luke 8:22-25 — Jesus controlled the forces of nature with a single command, something that only God can do. Jesus repeatedly demonstrated His Divinity. Consider the following:

    Many verses forbid worshiping men, angels, or any created thing.

    * Acts 10:25,26 – Cornelius fell down to worship Peter. Peter forbade it saying that he himself was just a man. God deserves worship, but men do not. (Cf. Acts 12:20-23; 14:8-18.)
    * Revelation 22:8,9; 19:10 – John sought to worship the angel, but the angel forbade it because he was a “fellow servant.” “Worship God.”
    * Romans 1:25 – People who worship and serve created things, rather than the Creator, have left the truth of God.
    * To worship any created thing – whether man, angel, heavenly body, or some other object in nature (mountain, ocean, etc.) – constitutes idolatry. [In other words, worshiping anything or anyone other than YHWH the God of the Bible is idoloatry].

    Only the true God deserves to be worshipped.

    * Matthew 4:9,10 – Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.
    * Revelation 9:20 – Idolatry is forbidden because it constitutes worship of someone other than God (Exodus 20:3-6; Deuteronomy 6:13-15; Revelation 14:9-11). [See also Exodus 34:14]
    * Note: proskunew is forbidden when used for obeisance to men from a spiritual or religious motivation or purpose. The word is sometimes (but rarely) used in the New Testament non-religiously to refer to bowing in obeisance to a king, master, or other person in authority (see Matthew 18:26 – this usage is more common in the Old Testament).
    * When used for religious honor, however, worship is forbidden toward any except God. In this sense, “worship” is like “lord,” “father,” “master,” etc. The words may be acceptably used for earthly, physical relationships (Ephesians 6:1-9; Colossians 3:21,22), but we are forbidden to use such as religious honor to men or created things (Matthew 23:8-12). [On Revelation 3:9, cf. to 1 Corinthians 14:25]
    * The concept of Deity distinguishes the Creator from the creature. Things which are created do not have the unique characteristics of God, do not do the unique works of God, and therefore should not be addressed by the unique names of God nor should they be worshipped.

    But Jesus received the unique worship God deserves.

    He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

    * Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]
    * Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.
    * John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.
    * Note that such religious worship would have been blasphemy and should have been forbidden as it was in the case of Peter, the angel, etc., if Jesus had been just a man on earth.

    Created beings also worship Him after His resurrection.

    * Matthew 28:9,17 – After His resurrection, His disciples worshipped Him. [Cf. John 20:28,29]
    * Luke 24:52 – Even after He had ascended back to heaven, they worshipped Him.
    * Hebrews 1:6 – Angels are instructed by God to worship Jesus.
    * Note that men were rebuked for worshipping men, angels, or created beings, but they were never rebuked for worshipping Jesus. Angels are even instructed by the Father to worship Jesus. The context of the above passages cannot fit the idea of obeisance to an earthly king or ruler. They refer to honoring Jesus as a religious authority – the very thing forbidden when offered to Peter, angels, etc.
    * Hence, Jesus accepted worship as an act of religious honor. The Scriptures, including Jesus’ own teachings, would absolutely forbid this unless He possesses true Deity. [1]

    Here is sound logic that we can easily deduce from Biblical Scripture. If Biblical Scripture explains that only God can be worshiped, and if Biblical Scripture forbids the worship of any created being or object, and if Biblical Scripture does not forbid or rebuke the worship of Jesus Christ, then Jesus Christ is therefore uncreated and is God in the flesh, according to Biblical Scripture.

    Exodus 3:13-14, “Moses said to God, ‘Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?’ God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.'”

    John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.‘”

    Anonymous, “if jesus comes back on which side will he be is it on the side of gehoval witness or on the side of the caltholic or seventh days adventhist or the selesstian or the apostolic or the redeemers so its better for you 2 seet your self down and reasson who God is if u don’t want 2 be amoung the loosers”

    Jesus doesn’t pick sides. He picks those who follow Him, those who believe in His crucifixion and resurrection and follow His commandments.

    1 Corinthians 1:18, “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”

    Anonymous, “I pray God will show you the way.”

    He already has.

    John 14:6-7, “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'”

    Acts 4:11-12, “Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

    Do you want to be saved? If so, there is only one Way. And that is through Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

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    • Anonymous
      07/04/2016 at 3:10 AM

      Check the meaning of begotten in your dictionally …

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  11. ganiu
    12/13/2013 at 3:35 PM

    I will appreciate if you can less talk one on one on face book so that we can talk better,add me isa ganiu so. Please am xpecting your friend. Request thanks.

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    • 12/15/2013 at 3:50 PM

      Ganiu, Can you answer a simple question for me? What does the 2005 after your name represent?

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      • ganiu
        12/15/2013 at 5:13 PM

        bobby90247 on 12/15/2013 at 3:50 PM
        Ganiu, Can you answer a simple question for me? What does the 2005 after your name represent?

        When I wanted to open the email ganiu@yahoo.com has been used by another passon,so I decided to put 2005 which was available, or do you have another meaning for it.

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        • 12/15/2013 at 6:38 PM

          Just curious if whether or not you are still living in year 2005? OR, do you even know what year this is?

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  12. ICA
    12/13/2013 at 4:27 PM

    Hi ganiu, this blog does not use Facebook.

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  13. ICA
    12/14/2013 at 9:37 PM

    ganiu, “I want you guys to remember the hearth quake that happen in japan 2011, after the disastee no houses,no churches was recorded standing in the area of that disaster.but no mosque was recorded mixing their they were all still standing nd no stain torches them”

    Please provide links proving this claim. I look forward to your reply.

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  14. Mike
    12/14/2013 at 10:03 PM

    Ganiu, it is inconsistent to believe that mosques in Japan are protected by allah, when many mosques have been destroyed by earthquakes in other places, especially in Pakistan, Afganistan, Iran and other locations with significant siesmic activity.

    The Fathur Rahman mosque destroyed by a powerful earthquake in Solok, West Sumatra, Indonesia, Friday, March 9, 2007.

    On February 2010, 40 muslims died and 71 were injured after a minaret/roof collapse in Meknes, Morocco, during Friday prayers.

    A mosque in Bantul, southcentral Java, Indonesia was destroyed by earthquake on May 26, 2006.

    Mosques were severely damaged in Muzaffarabad, Pakistan, in 2006.

    The Jama Haman Wali mosque in Kashmir was destroyed by the 2005 earthquake.

    Mosques were damaged in Pakistan’s earthquake of 2006

    And mosques were severely damaged near coast in Banda Aceh during the 2005 tsunami.

    Recently in Syria, over a thousand mosques have been destroyed…by muslims due to sunni vs alawite shiite muslim sectarian violence.

    Even the Kaaba at Mecca was severely damaged several times and had to be rebuilt. Here, from an approved muslim source…

    Wahb ibn Munbih said: “… It was built by Ibraaheem, then [rebuilt] by the Amalekites, then by Jurham, then by Qusayy ibn Kilaab. Its rebuilding by Quraysh is well known… They began to rebuild it with the stones of the valley, which Quraysh carried on their shoulders, and they built it up, 20 cubits high… Between the rebuilding of the Ka’bah and the beginning of the Revelation there were five years, and between the rebuilding and the Hijrah there were fifteen years. ‘Abd al-Razzaaq reported from Mu’ammar from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Uthmaan from Abu’l-Tufayl, and from Mu’ammar from al-Zuhri: ‘They were building it and when they reached al-Rukn, Quraysh argued about which tribe should lift it up. Then they said, “Let us ask the first person who comes from this direction to judge between us.” They agreed on that, then the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to them, and he was a young man wearing a spotted sash. They asked him to judge between them, and he told them to place al-Rukn on a piece of cloth, then he told the chief of every tribe to hold the edge of the cloth, then he climbed up and they lifted al-Rukn up to him, and he himself (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) put it into its place.”

    (Taareekh Makkah by al-Azraqi, 1/161-164)

    That would be a better reference….if it was true. The fact is, Abraham never visited Mecca and Mecca didn’t exist prior to 400AD. This pillar has fallen a long time ago Ganiu. The world is now discovering that islam is not founded on real history, but on an invented history that muhammad created. It’s time you discovered this too. All that you believe you know about islam and muhammad….has been based on deception.

    The Lord Jesus Christ can set you free from the bondage of islam and its 1400 years of violence, oppression, distrust, fear, hatred and deception. Only Jesus (of the Bible) can provide the assurance you need of God’s mercy and provision for forgiveness. The choice is yours. Who do you want to spend eternity with?

    Muhammad who permitted lying and dishonesty (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857) or Jesus who taught “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” (Matthew 19:18)

    Muhammad who encouraged his men to rape enslaved women (Abu Dawood 2150), or Jesus who never encouraged rape or enslaved women but rather stood for a just and kind treatment of women.

    Muhammad who stole and permitted others to steal (Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764) or Jesus who taught “Thou shalt not steal.” (Matthew 19:18)

    Muhammad who took the lives of others, or Jesus who gave His life so that many could be forgiven and live (1 Tim 2:6, Matt 20:28 among others)

    Would you rather have muhammad’s allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Lord Jesus who tells me to love you because He will take me to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?’

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    • ganiu
      12/14/2013 at 10:36 PM

      If you like take it, if you like don’t,but I believe even if all this signs and wanders are not from God, it means the real God is not wordy to be worshipped becouse He would have bring a true sign,I don’t need to strees myself becouse the Quran tells us that “no matter how had we preach to you it is only who God wants to save will believe” so count yourself among the looser ng continue saying rubich about the God,the Messanger and the Holybook your rea word is wating 4 you,and concerning the link of that mosque CNN has the news

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      • Mike
        12/14/2013 at 10:56 PM

        Ganiu, Jesus taught about those who looked for signs. He said…

        (Mat 16:4) “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign; and a sign will not be given it, except the sign of Jonah.” And He left them and went away.

        and what was the sign of Jonah? It was Jesus’ death and resurrection. So here is Jesus, predicting to others that He will die and be resurrected. This was a “true” sign, since His crucifixion death was prophesied in the Old Testament, predicted by Jesus and eyewitnessed by multitudes. Jesus was even seen and experienced after His death and entombment.

        In stark contrast, muhammad could produce no sign, did no miracle, and even admitted that he was “only a plain warner”. (Qur’an 29:50). Obviously, Jesus is vastly superior to muhammad both in morals, in power and in authority.

        Regarding the quran, you may be interested to know that it has been infused with plagairized pagan, Christian, Jewish and Zoroastrian texts. Why would allah, who hates Jews, include Jewish text into the quran?

        The story in Sura 5:30,31 can also be found in pre-Islamic works from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer, the Targum of Jonathan ben Uzziah and the Targum of Jerusalem.

        The story found in Sura 7:171 of God lifting up Mount Sinai and holding it over the heads of the Jews as a threat to squash them if they rejected the law came from the Jewish book Abodah Sarah.

        The story of the making of the golden calf in the wilderness, in which the image jumped out of the fire fully formed and actually mooed (Suras 7:148; 20:88), came from Pirke Rabbi Eleazer

        The tale of Abraham being delivered from Nimrod’s fire came from the Midrash Rabbah (see Suras 21:51-71; 29:16, 17; 37:97,98). It must be also pointed out that Nimrod and Abraham did not live at the same time. Muhammad was always mixing people together in the Quran who did not live at the same time. He couldn’t even get his historical facts correct.

        Is it any wonder, that the author of the quran claims to be the “best of deceivers”? Indeed, allah is identified as the great deceiver. Quran 8:30 نيركاملا ريخ هللاو هللا ركميو نوركميو كوجرخي واكولتقي واكوتبثيل اورفك نيذلا كب ركمي ذاو Koran 13:42 رادلا ىبقع نمل رافكلا ملعيسو سفن لك بسكتام ملعي اعيمج ركملا هللف مهلبق نم نيذلا ركم دقو

        but Jesus said “I am the way, THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except by Me” (John 14:6)

        Who is more trustworthy? allah, the best of deceivers, or Jesus, the truth?

        I would just invite you, Ganiu, to read the gospel book of John all the way through. Then ask yourself “Could it be true? Could THIS Jesus really love me and forgive me today?” Asked honestly, I know you can discover what so many other ex-muslims have discovered. The answer is “yes”.

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  15. ICA
    12/14/2013 at 10:51 PM

    ganiu, “concerning the link of that mosque CNN has the news”

    Can you please provide the link, or any other link about the miracle mosque of Japan?

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    • ganiu
      12/15/2013 at 2:57 AM

      Please just go to your youtube and type [“video of the standing mosque after the tsunami earthquake in tokyo”] it will bring the video nd order related videos, but all this are just sign for he that want to hear,many mosque can be distroyed in many occations, since it was build by man,but we just need to call our self to notice whenever we see any sign of God`s wonders,since it was true signs and wonders that people of isreal beleived in moses nd jesus christ so I don’t no why we should see signs of God as devil`s work or normal thing,thou not every body will believe because, with all the signs and wonders that moses nd Jesus perfomed some said they are sorcerer, and those that believe them also believe them wrongly, that’s what brings about christianity becouse Jesus never siad any thing about christianity it was after he has gone 12 of his dicipuse meated and say the name of our religion shall be called christianity.Jesus came 2 this world 2 praech Gosple of God wish means he came to praech that their is one God he said “ save he that I saved”, so the leaders of thos days edited the Bible to their own taste so that it can save them.

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  16. Mike
    12/15/2013 at 9:58 AM

    Ganiu,the Qur’an says that if a Muslim does not know the answer to a question about the Christian texts, to ask them (Surah 10 aya 94 and Surah 21 aya 7) and to not argue with them (Surah 29 aya 46). If you are a true Muslim, you will be content to learn about Christianity from a Christian, without argument.

    Christians will educate you about Christianity if you are willing to obey the Qur’an and learn from a Christian. If you are unwilling to obey the Qur’an on that point, then you must be unwilling to obey the Qur’an on other points, and you are not a true Muslim.

    You made the remarkable claim that “the leaders of those days edited the bible to their own taste so that it can save them”.

    I will correct you now. The bible has never and does not today save anyone. Only Jesus saves from sin and hell. The bible is God’s inspired word, penned by men moved by the Holy Spirit. The true injil (Gospel) is that Jesus, the holy and divine Son of God, suffered and died on a cross for the sins of the world, including yours, fulfilling the Father’s just requirement for punishment of sin in front of a multitude of eyewitnesses. Then He authenticated His mission and identity by rising from the dead on the 3rd day, seen and experienced by many, and that if you humble yourself, and believe on Him with a desperate, trusting faith, you will be saved and will then have assurance of God’s forgiveness and mercy.

    Also, you claimed the “leaders of that day edited” the bible? Before or after muhammad?

    The Qur’an indicates that the scriptures of the Bible were acceptable at the time Muhammad wrote it.. The Qur’an indicates that allah say…

    , “O People of the Book! You have no grounds to stand on unless you stand by the Torah, the Gospel, and all of the Message that has come to you from the Lord.” (Sura 5:68)

    If you say Bible passages were corrupted before the time of Muhammad, then you are contradicting the Qur’an. For the Qur’an says…(Surah 21:7)

    “Also before you, the messengers we sent were only men, to whom We granted the Revelation: If you do not know this, ask those, the people of the Remainder [of the Scripture, Taurat (Torah) and Injeel (Gospel)].”

    Here allah indicates that Muslims can safely inquire into the Christian and Jewish Scriptures and receive a truthful answer.

    But if you say the Bible was edited after the time of muhammad, then how do you explain the fact that the manuscript copies used for the bible at the time of muhammad, are the same manuscript copies used for today’s Bible too?

    So I ask you, was the Bible corrupted before or after Muhammad?

    Furthermore, it is impossible for the apostles to have “edited” the bible anyway, mostly because the bible did not even exist in the days of the apostle. Ganiu, Christianity existed long before even the first New Testament gospel or epistle was ever penned. It is not dependent on either biblical inerrancy, nor is even dependent on the bible itself.

    Even if the bible was completely wrong in everything it claims, that still wouldn’t be sufficient evidence that Christianity is false. Christianity is built on the real, historical events of Jesus’ crucifixion death and resurrection. So attacking the bible as an attempt to take down the Christian faith is as effective as a dog barking up the wrong tree. You wouldn’t want anyone to see you doing that would you?

    I will give you some advice. If you want to take down Christianity, you have to first, take down ALL the historical evidence for Jesus’ resurrection, and then put up a more plausible, reasonable explanation in its place. Then, you would have to take down ALL the historical evidence for Jesus’ crucifixion death, and likewise, put up a more plausible, reasonable explanation for the facts that surround it. Until you can do those things, the Christian faith will remain steadfast as a Rock as it always has been. The reason it has been so steadfast is because its foundation is built on truth, truth that can set you free from the bondage of islam, if you choose.

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    • ganiu
      12/15/2013 at 11:51 AM

      Firstly I meen “ serve” not “save“. It was a writing error,bible can never save becouse it has been edicted okay
      And I don’t know the reason why you contineu piking point from the Holy Quran that you never believed and you also pik point from the book of moses that you don’t believe in too,becouse if you believe in the book of moses you will see where in deuteronomychapter6vas 4 “when moses was talking to his people that their God is one”and you will also see inside the Quran where God siad in suratul taubah vas30to33 that cause be on thos who attribute son with God,so is better for you 2 stop hiding beside what you never believe in
      And concerning the bible ,every body know that bible is just a collection of what the past prophets,i,e,Moses,joshua ,samuel,job,isaiah,jeremiah ezekiel,matthew,John and Jesus wrote about God,that why I siad thos that wrote it,just edicted it to serve their purpose.
      Please I huge you 2 not preach from the Quran again becouse you never believe in it,even you don’t have to preach from the Bible too becouse not every part of the bible you believe,you only believe the part that helps your evil mission and God is waitting 4you.
      But instead of preaching to me why don’t you go to isreal and preach to the jewish that never allow christianity2 reign in isreal,or you should be preaching to your fellow christian that call themself Gehoval withness,that never take Jesus as there God.
      You people were using thesame Book but your believe about the Book is never thesame ,you siad you are worshipping treenity but you have hundred was of worshiping and different believe about the book Bible,
      So am note surprise about the way christianity as been scattered, becouse their is a Quranic verse that say“ tho they forme their religion and do things that conterdict our law but we never let unity reign amoung them” so is better for you to make peace,and unit amoung your christian brothers before you start inviting peoples 2 the religion that God put course on.

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  17. ICA
    12/15/2013 at 12:25 PM

    ganiu, “Please just go to your youtube and type [“video of the standing mosque after the tsunami earthquake in tokyo”] it will bring the video”

    ganiu, I couldn’t find any Youtube videos of any mosque miraculously standing after the 2011 tsunami that hit japan, but is this the one you’ve been referring to?

    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8719866-mosque-stood-still-in-japan-and-tsunami-couldnt-touch-its-walls-even

    ganiu, “Please I huge you 2 not preach from the Quran again becouse you never believe in it”

    We don’t believe in it because it is full of historical and scientific errors, full of violence, racism, hate, mysogyny and contradiction, and much more. The Qur’an is just 1 book that was written (recited) over a period of 23 years by 1 man. Archaeologists believe that old Qur’anic fragments they find suggest an evolving text, not one that is “unchanged” or “timeless.” The Bible, however, is a collection of 66 different books that were written over a period of 1,500 years by 40 different authors (the oldest books may be nearly 4000 years old). Archaeologists find fragments that are virtually identical to the texts we have today. Additionally, according to Biblical Scripture, the Law and the Prophets ended with John (Luke 16:16), and was fulfilled with the true Jesus of Biblical Scripture (Matthew 5:17). We believe that all additional “law” from any self-professed “prophet” afterward is man-made and false.

    ganiu, “You people were using the same Book but your believe about the Book is never the same”

    Are the teachings of Sunnis, Shiites and Sufis all the same? What about the Athari, Kalām, Maturidi, Mu’tazili, etc. schools of Islamic “theology”? What about the Bektashi, Chishti, Nimatullahi, Naqshbandi, Uwaiysi and Qadiri orders, not to mention many others? Bible-believing Christians today get along well and all believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, God in the flesh, whose death and resurrection means we are guaranteed eternal life if we believe. The same cannot be said for Muslims (and will never be said for Muslims). Every day Muslims are killing other Muslims, and will continue to do so until God Himself puts an end to Islam’s madness.

    Believe in Jesus Christ and Him crucified and reject Islam. Then, and only then, will you receive eternal life and the joys it will bring. If you die rejecting Christ’s death and resurrection, the only thing you will receive is eternal death and the torment that goes with it. The choice is yours ganiu.

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  18. Mike
    12/15/2013 at 1:48 PM

    Ganiu, again, you are attacking the bible, but that is simply impotent against Christianity because Christianity is not dependent on the bible. You’re wasting your time. But you have asked some questions, and I will answer them.

    The cultures surrounding and hostile to the Israelites (much like today) were polytheist, cultic, reprobate and evil. Deut 6:4 is part of a confession of Judaism, a statement of faith per se, meaning that among all the false, pagan, cultic gods, the Lord (Yahweh) is totally unique. He alone is the one, true God. The Israelites could therefore have a sense of security that was totally impossible for their polytheistic neighbors.

    The “gods” of the ancient Near East rarely were thought of as acting in harmony. Each god was unpredictable and morally capricious. So a pagan worshiper could never be sure that his loyalty to one god would serve to protect him from the capricious wrath of another. The monotheistic doctrine of the Israelites lifted them out of this insecurity since they had to deal with only one God, who dealt with them by a revealed, consistent righteous and holy standard. Truth.

    “God” is plural (’ĕlōhı̂m), not in the sense of polytheism, but describing what the ancient Israelites already knew; That God was a tri-unity, one in essence, same in nature, united in character and evidenced early on in Genesis 2:24, where the same word for “one” is used of Adam and Eve, the first married (and monogamous) couple.

    You said here “every body know that bible is just a collection of what the past prophets,i,e,Moses,joshua ,samuel,job,isaiah,jeremiah ezekiel,matthew,John and Jesus wrote about God,that why I siad thos that wrote it,just edicted it to serve their purpose.”

    When did Joshua, Job, Matthew or John become prophets?

    Again, you fail to believe what your own quran shows, that muhammad believed the bible to be reliable and true. Since the bible we have today is based on the same manuscript copies that contributed to the bible of Muhammad’s day, it is inescapable then that the bible of today has not been corrupted. As such, any claim of how the bible has been “edited” (implying corruption) is by the standard of the quran, false.

    Muhammad confirmed the Bible, yet the Bible utterly prohibits new scripture.

    So either Muhammad was wrong about the Bible being right, or he was right about the Bible being right.

    What you need to do right now Ganiu, is to decide for yourself who you will serve.

    Muhammad, who has enslaved you to his false, pre-Islamic, pagan god “allah”, or to the righteousness and purity of the Lord Jesus Christ, the holy and divine Son of God? Only one can save you from sin and hell. Only one loves you. Only one stepping into human history and demonstrated a nature of true love and justice publicly.

    Jesus received the unique worship God deserves, thereby showing that He is God.

    He was often worshipped while He appeared on earth before His resurrection.

    * Matthew 8:2 – A leper came and worshipped Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]
    * Matthew 14:33 – After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples worshipped Him saying He was the Son of God.
    * John 9:38 – After Jesus had healed the blind man, He revealed Himself to be the Son of God (v35). The man said he believed, and he worshipped Jesus.

    You can worship the Lord too. You can be healed too, if you repent from your sin and unbelief and put a trusting faith on the Lord Jesus Christ…of the Bible. Shalom.

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