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Israel Isolated Ahead of ‘Momentous’ September 20, 2011 UN Vote on Palestinian ‘Independence’


Not sure if there is any significance to the fact that the very next day after the UN vote on Palestinian ‘independence’  — September 21, 2011 — is also the International Day of Peace, but the timing of the vote is a bit interesting …

Update 9/19/2011: The vote seems to have been pushed to September 23rd, 2011.  I’ve also included another item worthy of attention, which is the fact that the Palestinian Authority will demand enforcement of UN Resolution 377, even if the United States vetoes Palestinian membership.  UN Resolution 377 states that if the Security Council fails to act to maintain world “peace and security”, the General Assembly could then consider the matter in an emergency session, which can be called at the request of a majority of UN member states …

1 Thessalonians 5:3, “While people are saying, ‘There is peace and security,’ then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.”

By JOSEF FEDERMAN – “JERUSALEM (AP) — Rising tensions with some of its closest and most important allies have left Israel increasingly isolated ahead of a momentous vote on Palestinian independence at the United Nations.

Troubles with Turkey, Egypt and even the U.S. are adding to Israel’s headaches ahead of the vote, which is shaping up to be a global expression of discontent against the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The Palestinians plan to ask the United Nations this month to recognize their independence in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem — areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Mideast war — probably by embracing them as a ‘nonmember observer state.’ The measure is expected to pass overwhelmingly in the U.N. General Assembly.” Read more.

Flashback: PA will demand enforcement of General Assembly ‘Uniting for Peace’ resolution even if US vetoes – “PLO official Saeb Erekat has said Palestinians would activate UN resolution 377 if faced with a US veto in September. The ‘Uniting for Peace’ resolution states that if the Security Council fails to act to maintain world peace and security, the General Assembly should consider the matter in an emergency session. The session can be called at the request of seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of UN member states. Following a widespread diplomatic campaign, some 112 countries have recognized Palestine as an independent state and more are expected to do so in coming weeks. Palestinians would need the support of 129 countries to implement Resolution 377 and secure a General Assembly vote on UN membership.” Read more.

Flashback: Palestinians Plan Mass Demonstrations Against Israel on September 20 – “Palestinian officials said Monday they plan to begin mass marches against Israel’s occupation of the West Bank on September 20 … Palestinian official Yasser Abed Rabbo said leaders hope to attract millions, and the protest will be the first of a prolonged effort. He said the campaign would be called ‘Palestine 194,’ since the Palestinians hope to become the 194th member of the United Nations. ‘The appeal to the UN is a battle for all Palestinians, and in order to succeed, it needs millions to pour into streets,’ he said.” Read more.

Settler security chief: September infiltrators will be shot – “Palestinians who try to force their way into West Bank settlements during the mass protests in favor of statehood anticipated for September 20 ‘will be shot,’ chief settler security officer Shlomo Vaknin told The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. The protests are expected to accompany the Palestinian unilateral bid for recognition of statehood at the United Nations… This statement is backed up by an opinion issued by the Attorney-General’s Office for Judea and Samaria, signed by its Eyal Elad, who is tasked with human rights issues regarding the IDF.” Read more.

Also see:

Saudi Arabia: If the United States Vetoes Palestinian Membership, It Will Lose Saudi Arabia As An Ally

Jordan: Israel’s Situation Today More Difficult Than Ever, Russia and Leading EU Countries Support Palestinian Statehood Bid

While Committed to Peace, Israel Senses a Wider Siege as the Surrounding Nations Seethe with Anger

Israel Facing ‘Diplomatic Tsunami’ with Surrounding Muslim World

  1. 09/08/2011 at 3:16 PM

    Not sure if there is any significance to the fact that the very next day after the UN vote on Palestinian ‘independence’ — September 21, 2011 — is also the International Day of Peace, but the timing of the vote is a bit interesting …

    That’s also the normal day of the autumnal equinox, although it falls on Sept 22 this year in NYC —> The day that sunlight fall equally on all parts of the earth, but we’re transitioning toward winter and darkness, at least in the northern hemisphere… so, ‘decision time for the world, but its tipping away from God’s light.’

    Is that too “out there”?

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  2. ICA
    09/08/2011 at 4:14 PM

    I wouldn’t say it’s too out there. Could be anecdotal at the very least. Thinking out loud — both Matthew and Luke record Christ’s explanation of the end, who each omit or include certain small details. I wonder if Luke 21:20 is equal to (or the sign immediately prior to) Matthew 24:15, which harkens back to portions of Daniel 11 and 12. It almost seems like the last part of Daniel 11 will soon come to fulfillment, “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time” (Dan 12:1a; cf Mat. 24:21).

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  3. 09/08/2011 at 10:51 PM

    Does this verse “a great war” maybe indicate a 21 day (3 weeks) war with Persia and Gog verse 20 seems to indicate a possible time at the end

    Da 10:1 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel (who was called Belteshazzar). Its message was true and it concerned a great war. The understanding of the message came to him in a vision. Da 10:2 At that time I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks. Da 10:3 I ate no choice food; no meat or wine touched my lips; and I used no lotions at all until the three weeks were over

    Da 10:20 …………………….. Soon I will return to fight against the prince of Persia, and when I go, the prince of Greece will come

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  4. 09/09/2011 at 1:16 AM

    Although I am no longer a full-on historicist (honestly, I don’t know what I am any more!!), I still think that Luke 21, at least thru verse 24, is talking about the time up until the destruction of the “second” temple. The destruction of the temple was a momentous signal to the Jews that the old covenant was over and the new had begun. From Jesus to the temple’s destruction in 70 AD was 40 years, the symbolic length of testing and judgment—40 lashes, 40 day fast, 40 days of rain, 40 years in the wilderness…

    For those 40 years, these 4 oddities occurred, which were recorded in the Talmud:

    • The High Priest would hold lots in his hand, and put them on the heads of the goats. For 40 years in a row prior to the destruction of the temple, the lot “For the Lord” came up in the left hand, thought to be a bad omen.
    • The scarlet cord tied to the door of the temple on the Day of Atonement after the Azazel goat was thrown over the cliff stopped turning white.
    • The westernmost light on the temple candelabra would not burn; this light was believed to be used to light all the others.
    • The temple doors would open by themselves, thought to be inviting in destruction according to Zech 11:1.

    Looking starting at Luke 21:20: But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. –>Surrounded by Roman Armies under Titus

    V23: Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people –> “Great distress” is equivalent of “great tribulation” of Mt 24:21, probably.

    I am not sure how to dissect the Matt 24 language vis a vis what was the 70 AD fall of Jerusalem (we know that some of the chapter discusses it because of Mt 24:1-3) and what is the End of the Age Jerusalem catastrophe. I don’t think, for instance, that Daniel 11:31 is talking about the End Times because it also mentions “the regular sacrifice”, which won’t be revived, I think. On the other hand, the AoD of Antiochus Epiphanes and the AoD of the Roman destruction both DO fit the bill.

    I don’t see “our” End Times being discussed in Dan 11 until v35, when it is specifically mentioned. Yes we can see foreshadows in A.E., but these were not specific prophecies of OUR End Times events, but those in the 2nd Century B.C.

    Mt 24:21, if referring to the End Times “Great Tribulation” and not the 70 AD G.T., is discussing its start, which from Dan & Rev seems to last 3.5 years, while Dan 12:1 is discussing Michael (Yeshua?) coming to end it, even though “will arise” is mentioned before “And there will be a time of distress”.

    I think a good parallel passage to Dan 12:1 is Isa 63:1-7.

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  5. 09/09/2011 at 10:17 AM

    Kurt – I am on the road at the moment so do not have much time – I find your mind change interesting as I too have had and still have at time similars things go on in my mind – I think this is part of the learning process with God – I think he uses this method to keep us tied to his word to find the answers.

    One thing that I am sure of that all of or most of the answers are found in Daniel – If you study this book verse by verse and absorb it verse by verse the entire world of prophecy become very clear – Daniel is truely a book of the Jewsish world history from the time of the Exodus until the Jews entered the land of Canaan until Christ returns –

    To begin with the picture become clearer when I see a 666 right above the head of Nebus first dream the man of metal Dan 2 this figure in its entireity represents the 666 and where he will come from by the time you get to chapt 12 and the time, times and a half time 3500 years decreed for the Jewsish people – 70 Jubilees many other prophecies will open up

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  6. Charles
    09/18/2011 at 11:01 AM

    Israel is going to push back the boarders all the way back to what was promised to Abraham.

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  7. 09/18/2011 at 11:31 AM

    Right you are Charles and it will be very soon

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  8. 09/19/2011 at 3:24 PM

    Good explanation of what’s transpired between Israel and middle-eastern Arabs:

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  9. ICA
    09/19/2011 at 4:32 PM

    Most excellent!

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  10. ICA
    09/19/2011 at 4:56 PM

    Update 9/19/2011: The vote seems to have been pushed to September 23rd, 2011, but I’ve also included another item worthy of attention in the original post, which is the fact that the Palestinian Authority will demand enforcement of UN Resolution 377, even if the United States vetoes Palestinian membership. UN Resolution 377 states that if the Security Council fails to act to maintain world “peace and security”, the General Assembly could then consider the matter in an emergency session, which can be called at the request of a majority of UN member states …

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  11. Anonymous
    09/19/2011 at 11:08 PM

    Kurt – You’ve GOT to read Dalton Lifsey’s book. He goes into Dan. 11 in great detail. Makes a very good case for it being about the A/C and endtimes from v. 21 onward.

    AHF

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  12. ICA
    09/19/2011 at 11:16 PM

    From verse 21 onward? I think Shoebat also teaches something similar if I’m not mistaken. I’ve concluded myself previously that any eschatonic AC would likely be from verse 36 onward, but would love to sift through Lifsey’s reasoning.

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  13. Anonymous
    09/19/2011 at 11:36 PM

    His basic premise is that the man described in vs. 36 is the same man we are introduced to in vs. 21. He makes a very good, scriptural case.

    AHF

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  14. 09/20/2011 at 12:05 AM

    At His Feet,

    For now I agree with ICA about v36 being the transition to the ‘last days’ of the age, but the description of Antiochus earlier in the chapter is definitely a foreshadow, and as such many aspects, if not necessarily fulfillments, would apply to our “end times”.

    The way I see the Bible is that prophecies have one fulfillment, but many applications or echoes. For instance, it takes a very careful dissection of Mt 24 or Lk 21 to determine what is the destruction of 70 AD, and what is far off future, but they ARE one >em>or the other, not both–use the ‘abomination of desolation’ as an example. I don’t think we’re waiting for that one. Jesus said “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!” (Mt. 23:38), just before describing the tearing down of the temple in Chptr 24, and the description of the horrors of that time. When Israel nationally rejected Christ, their house was left desolate UNTIL they say “BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!” (Mt 23:39) That will be on the ‘Day of the Lord’ (1 Thes 5). The abomination of desolation began when they rejected Christ, culminating in the tearing down of the temple and the building of an idol in its place (Dome of the Rock).

    I did listen to a very long Lifsey sermon (http://daltonlifsey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-04-16-btf-dlifsey.mp3). Not much to find fault with. He is reliably ‘prayer movement-y”. He seems young!! Boy do I sound 48. He doesn’t seem to have an Islamic End Times paradigm, but maybe he does and it comes out in the book?

    Kurt

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  15. Anonymous
    09/20/2011 at 12:30 AM

    So far, he hasn’t touched on the Islamic connection in the book (I’m about half way through). However, he has been posting lots about the Islamic threat on his blog. Yes, he is very young – I have children older than him. But, I must say that his understanding of biblical themes, especially in relation to Israel, is beyond his years. I appreciate the House of Prayer movement for being willing to tackle end-time teaching as part of their regular teaching ministry.

    As for your comments vis a vis Matt. 24, Luke 21, etc. I can only recommend again that you read the book. He makes his case very thoroughly (much better than I could in a few lines on this blog). It’s only $10 in the Kindle version on Amazon.

    What I have found most compelling thus far is his exegesis of Dan. 9 and 11 in regards to the holy covenant made with Abraham. What he suggests is that the covenant that is confirmed (or strengthened, affirmed, etc.) in Dan. 9:27 is not some 7 year peace treaty, but is a recognition by the A/C of Israel’s right to the land per the Abrahamic Covenant. In other words, what the A/C will do (for his own underhanded, deceptive purposes) is finally recognize Israel’s right to exist and dwell on their land, something no arab government has been willing to do thus far. Considering what is going on this week with the U.N. meetings, threats of war by Turkey, recognition of Pal. statehood, etc., this might be very timely information to ponder.

    AHF

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  16. 09/20/2011 at 12:39 AM

    … Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu of Turkey in an hourlong interview before he was to leave for the United Nations, where a contentious debate was expected this week over a Palestinian bid for recognition as a state. Viewed by many as the architect of a foreign policy that has made Turkey one of the most relevant players in the Muslim world, Mr. Davutoglu pointed to that issue and others to describe a region in the midst of a transformation. Turkey, he said, was “right at the center of everything.”

    He declared that Israel was solely responsible for the near collapse in relations with Turkey…

    Read full article here

    Davutoglu sets off alarms in my spirit…

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  17. 09/20/2011 at 12:56 AM

    AHF,

    Good info in your last paragraph…very interesting. Could be. My opinion is that this thing will not be 7 years long, from when it begins. Too many references to 3.5 years, and the context of Daniel 9 leads me entirely to Jesus and his first coming, with the exception of maybe the very end of verse 27. Here’s the KJBV (Kurt J. Bracketed Version):

    And he [Jesus]
    will make a firm [new] covenant
    with the many [everyone who believes]
    for one week [7 years–to the stoning of Stephen, when the gospel went out to the world?],
    but in the middle of the week [3.5 years]
    he [Jesus]
    will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; [because of his sacrifice on the cross]
    and on the wing of [after, long after??]
    abominations [i.e., there will be several… A.E. in 2nd Century B.C.; Destruction of temple, 70 A.D.; a future abomination? But that would require a temple, or altar…]
    will come one [MAYBE the end times Beast; PROBABLY the Roman Empire]
    who makes desolate [by destroying the temple–no future temple will be built until the Millennium, IMHO]
    even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. [the Roman Empire is gone; it fits well; OR, a future destruction of the Beast]

    Just my opinion!

    Kurt

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  18. 09/20/2011 at 12:18 PM

    AHF – What is the name of the book – I also use the Kindle and would be interested

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  19. Anonymous
    09/20/2011 at 12:34 PM

    “The Controversy of Zion and the Time of Jacob’s Trouble” by Dalton Lifsey.

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  20. ICA
    09/20/2011 at 1:38 PM

    There are three views regarding the 70th week: 1. Already fulfilled, 2. Partially fulfilled, and 3. Not yet fulfilled. The view that it has not yet been fulfilled is not only the newest but also the weakest, in my opinion.

    Historically, the dispensational view that the “70th week of Daniel” is yet to be fully fulfilled is a recent invention and was never taught prior to the 19th century.

    Although the first view is the most prevalent view throughout church history, I lean towards the second view that it is partially fulfilled, but am open to the first view as well to some degree. I believe that Christ already fulfilled at least the first half of Daniel’s 70th week. The Messiah is mentioned more times in Daniel 9:25-26 than anyone else and it seems to be Daniel’s primary focus:

    Dan 9:27a, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease…”

    Gal 3:17, “And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.”

    Heb 8:6-8, “… he [Christ] is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.”

    Heb 10:1-10, “For the law … can never with these same sacrifices … make those who approach perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered?… For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin You had no pleasure. Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come — In the volume of the book it is written of Me — To do Your will, O God.'” … then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].”

    I wrote a little bit more on this here.

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  21. ICA
    09/20/2011 at 2:22 PM

    With respect to the vote this week, Dr. Michael Evans — author of Atomic Iran — provides a sobering analysis in the following radio interview:

    “This is the perfect storm. The dilemma is the following: The moment this is approved by the United Nations for statehood there cannot be a peace process any more. There can’t be negotiations. It’s going to be war. It’s going to be war. Hamas, Hezbollah — all the rest of them — are going to unite against the state of Israel. It’s going to be war.

    What’s going on fundamentally with Gulf oil states is the following: They’re scared to death of the ‘Arab Spring’. Now, in order to avoid an ‘Arab Spring’ they’ve got to create another crisis greater than the ‘Arab Spring’. They’re doing that right now. They’re buying into this in spades and they’re gonna fuel it and feed it to deter the focus on them and move it on the State of Israel … It’s going to unlock Pandora’s Box both for Israel and the United States.

    … You can anticipate, a decade from now, Armageddon. I’m not saying this, but I’ve been told this by generals, by prime ministers, by world leaders, by nuclear experts. They’re saying in another ten years you will have an Armageddon …

    Right now this is a ‘Caliphate’. There’s two ‘Caliphates’ moving through the Middle East like a tsunami. It’s a ‘Shia Caliphate’ and a ‘Sunni Caliphate’ and nobody wants to acknowledge it. Even the President [of the United States] won’t say the word ‘Jihadist’ or ‘Islamic Terrorist’ …”

    Ten years they say? Considering the furious pace of developments that we’ve seen over the past nine months already, I’d say it’ll be much sooner than that. Even these days are being shortened, it seems …

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  22. 09/20/2011 at 4:10 PM

    Events are definitely escalating. For a long time now many believers, even some who aren’t clued into the IETP (Islamic End Times Paradigm) have been “hearing” about September…

    I’ve watched most of Joel Richardson’s session last week at the Islamic Conference at IHOP KC. It is session 10, and can be found here

    He expounded on the story of Ismael and how it has effected Islamic theology. He made the following points, among others:

    1. Ismael, meaning “God hears”, grew up with his father Abraham until 14.
    2. He and his mother were kicked out, due to Sarah’s jealousness over Isaac’s inheritance.
    3. He lost his father.
    4. When he was about to die, even his mother abandoned him (she didn’t want to watch him die).
    5. Remember, this was a real, actual, boy/young man.
    6. He would have had tremendous resentment toward Isaac (and the eventual nation of Israel).
    7. Resentment toward father who abandoned him too.
    8. Basic tenants of Islam–ALLAH IS NOT A FATHER (far be it from him to have a son); God is remote/completely other. Doesn’t have any earthly comparisons.
    9. There is no adoption in Islam; they will watch orphans, but they NEVER become part of the family or take the family’s last name.
    10. Islam/the Q’uran is essentially one long polemic against Father God and his natural and adopted children.

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  23. Anonymous
    09/20/2011 at 6:20 PM

    Yes, I am open to either 7 years or 3 1/2, too. I know God can cause this all to simmer back down if it is not His timing yet, but in 31 years of watching I have never seen so many elements coming together at once – i.e. earthquakes, signs in the heavens, and the nations surrounding Israel in turmoil. I have never been so alert in my whole life. It’s almost all I can think about. Respected teachers and leaders are forthrightly coming out and saying we are the last generation.

    I agree that we probably don’t have even a decade. How can Israel survive another decade? The beast senses that this is his hour, his moment. It’s now or never.

    Frankly, if this does all simmer down, I’m going to be rather depressed. I am so ready to be with my King. I am so ready for Him to wipe all of the wickedness off the face of this earth. I am so done with this world. Come,Lord Jesus!

    Once again, Dalton Lifsey gave one of the most powerful messages I have ever heard on the return of Christ here: http://daltonlifsey.com/2010/12/12/the-climax-of-the-end-time-drama-the-second-coming-of-jesus/

    The first 20 minutes or so are, I grant you, “prayer movement-y”, as Kurt put it. :) But, once he gets into the heart of the message, it’s absolutely moving.

    AHF

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  24. 09/20/2011 at 8:51 PM

    I am not sure if we should be looking at a 7 year period or not but I find the following interesting and time will tell if there is anything in this or not. James 5:1-6 clearly is telling us that there will be a finacial collapse v 2 when he says your wealth has rotted and the moths have eaten your clothes and it would take place in the last days v 3.

    The finacial mess that the world is in right now because of greed and corruption began on the eve on Rosh Hashina Sept 29 – 2008 also Elul 29 – Moving 7 years forward we are at Rosh Hashina 2015 Sept 13 – as we all know a lot of stuff is happening near and around this period of time in 2015 – Exactly at 7 solar years we arrive at the 4th Lunar eclipse (Blood Red Moon) on the Feast of Tabernacles Sept 28th

    On the EVE of Rosh Hashinah – 2008 the Jewish New Year – the NYSE dropped 777 points the perfect number of God 3 times – is this the writing is on the wall so to speak

    The bankers and especially Wall Street are the materialistic church of the Western world who worship money – and we have corruption upon corruption – The bail out alone also cost more than 700 billion again this is 7 times – the price of gold hit $888.00 per oz – the number 8 is the number for Christ – Just thinking out loud testing and watching

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  25. 09/22/2011 at 12:14 AM

    Some interesting info on temple mount – east alignment – the east gate and the possible third temple

    http://www.bibleprophecyupdate.com/http:/www.bibleprophecyupdate.com/the_book_of_revelation/the-building-of-the-new-temple-in-israel/

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  26. 09/22/2011 at 1:52 AM

    Yes, the east gate aligns with the dome of the spirits and I think that was the location of the holy of holies…but I no longer see a physical temple needing to be rebuilt prior to Jesus’ return. I could be wrong.

    Jesus will alight on the Mt. of Olives, and I do think he will go through the eastern gate per Zech 14. Will it be rebuilt before then? Even if its not, he could still go through it. Remember, his resurrection body allowed him to walk through walls, and for that matter, fly.

    Can’t wait for mine!

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  27. 09/22/2011 at 1:53 AM

    7 days until Rosh Hashanah!

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  28. 09/22/2011 at 9:34 AM

    I am not sure if the temple will be rebuilt or not either – it certainly would not need to be rebuilt for Christ to return I agree but there is a large segment of the Jewish community that wants to rebuild it and every year this desire is becoming stronger – something else I notice is that more and more we are seeing the Jews returning to their G-d especially in the IDF – I am leaning more toward that it may be rebuilt than not rebuilt – reasoning is that this would unite and draw Jews back to Israel – it would have to be soon if this is what is to happen

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  29. Anonymous
    09/22/2011 at 5:43 PM

    ….or they could simply erect an altar for sacrifices. The leader of the Temple Institute, Chaim Richaman (which is the organization in Israel that has been preparing for the temple, training Levites, etc.) announced last year that they had finally bred a kosher red heifer. They kept it quiet this time because I’m guessing they didn’t want a lot of media attention like before. They don’t want anyone to know where it is. It must be three years old when it is sacrificed. So, if they made the announcement last year in March, it must have been at least one year old to be old enough to be examined. So, it’s at least two, almost three. Something to think about.

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  30. 09/22/2011 at 6:07 PM

    Thanks for the info, AHF.

    If any are interested in Muslim evangelism and just fantastic messages, I highly recommend these at the recent Islam Symposium at the Kansas City IHOP:

    http://www.ihop.org/Publisher/Article.aspx?ID=1000114172

    I have watched Joel Richardson, 2 messages by Jay Smith and 2 by Sassan Tavassoli–really, really good.

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