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Norway: Labour Party Youth Camp in Utøya Attacked by Gunman Dressed as Police Officer, At Least 80 Killed

BBC News Live and others are confirming a report that a man dressed as a police officer was shooting at people in a youth camp on the island of Utøya, west of Oslo.  Many are reportedly hit.  It is unclear if this is related to the recent bomb blast in Norway.

Update 1: The Prime Minister of Norway Jens Stoltenberg had at one point been scheduled to attend this rally on Utøya tomorrow.  The former Prime Minister, however, was due to speak there today.

Update 2: A police operation is ongoing.  Several people injured.  The police are evacuating everyone off the island, some are attempting to swim away to safety.  Anti-terrorist units sent in.

Update 3: One man has reportedly been arrested on Utøya. NRK has reported that an Islamist group calling itself ‘Helpers of the Global Jihad’ have now posted a message stating that this is only the beginning of the reaction to Norwegian papers publishing cartoons of Mohammed …

Update 4: Several people have been killed in Utøya, according to Norwegian TV2.  Some reports are saying eyewitnesses saw more than 20 bodies at the camp.  BBC is reporting that Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim in Oslo says the shooter had also been spotted in the capital prior to the explosions.

Update 5: Man arrested is Caucasian, no word yet on what ties this individual has to terror groups.  Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, speaking at a press conference in Oslo, says ‘We will find the guilty and hold them responsible.’

Update 6: Islamist group ‘Helpers of the Global Jihad’ are now denying any involvement in today’s attack.  So far there does not appear to be any solid Islamist connection. Suspect may have acted alone.  No word yet on motive. More details will come to light in the coming hours and days.

Update 7:  The death toll has, sadly, suddenly risen to at least 84+ killed on Utøya. (Update 7/25 – Police announced Monday that they had dramatically overcounted the number of people slain in a shooting spree at a political youth group’s island retreat and were lowering the confirmed death toll from 86 to 68.)

Update 8:  Witnesses suggest that a second shooter may have been involved.  Police are investigating.  Meanwhile, questions surround whether or not the known shooter’s Facebook page was updated while he was in police custody.  Also, it appears that he had apparent neo-Nazi links.  Did one or more of these possible neo-Nazi links have access to his Facebook page?

  1. Anonymous
    07/22/2011 at 3:56 PM

    10 people killed….


  2. Anonymous
    07/22/2011 at 10:37 PM

    Counted 80 so far


  3. ICA
    07/22/2011 at 10:57 PM

    This is an absolute disaster. What was his motivation — that’s what I want to know.


  4. kodimirpal
    07/23/2011 at 8:55 AM

    The world regardless of their faith, beliefs and political affilations must strongly condemn the cowardly killing of of the the innocent people by blood thirsty terror mongering brutes.

    Our thoughts go to the families of the victims among whom there would be women who would have been widowed, children would have been orphaned and the elderly parents who would have lost the only support to them.

    Europeans have repeatedly displayed admirable maturity on such tragedies in the past and have refused to fall prey to the plans of those who want to spread hatred and push the country into sectarian violence.

    Hope and pray that people of Norway will again maintain usual sobriety and fail the plans of the sadist cowards who enjoy death and destruction. Government should deal with the culprits with iron fists but also instruct the police, media and political parties to refrain from witch hunting.


    • ICA
      07/23/2011 at 9:40 AM

      Well said, kodimirpal.

      I noticed some news articles are now saying that the shooter was affiliated with some ‘right-wing Christian fundamentalists’, which to me is a complete and utter misnomer. Actions such as this are the absolute opposite of what Christianity teaches. Christian fundamentalism means to believe that the Bible is the word of God and to recognize that the old Law contained in ordinances was nailed to the cross with Christ, to obey the commandments of Christ and to love all people, to pray for all people, whether friend or foe, as Scripture makes it very clear:

      Matthew 5:43-46a, “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?”

      Ephesians 6:12, “For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.” (NLT)

      For as the moral law of God declares:

      Exodus 20:13, “You shall not murder.”

      The actions of this madman was not affiliated with ‘Christian fundamentalism.’ It was affiliated with evil.


  5. ICA
    07/23/2011 at 3:56 PM

    Something to consider …


  6. Anonymous
    07/23/2011 at 6:51 PM

    Pamela Geller of Atlas Shruggs noticed something a little fishy:


    Not to be a conspiracy theorist, I can accept that this guy did it. But, there seems to be a rush to lay it on a “christian conservative”.


  7. ICA
    07/23/2011 at 7:15 PM

    Hmmm, that is very interesting, thank you for posting. Something isn’t right there for sure.


  8. 07/23/2011 at 7:39 PM

    Reminds me of this US Dept of Homeland Security video that just came out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q3bWEvl7o&feature=player_embedded#at=505 What a creepy, Orwellian piece of propaganda. This vid protrays a reality that is SO far from the roots of America, built on individual liberty and of course, responsibility.

    The video dramatizes acts of terrorism about to occur, all perpetrated by white males, and reported to authorities, nearly universally, by non-white minorities and females. Certainly the vast majority of terrorism is spawned by Islamists, overwhelmingly young, middle eastern males, but yet they go out of their way to avoid “stereotyping”.

    The way Israel successfully conducts its security is to focus on the people, not the people’s stuff, unlike our DHS.

    When a white guy goes berzerk as this guy in Norway, the left goes into rejoicing, giddy, see-I-told-you-so mode.


  9. ICA
    07/23/2011 at 11:21 PM

    Witnesses suggest that a second shooter may have been involved. Police are investigating. Meanwhile, as questions surround whether or not the known shooter’s Facebook page was updated while he was in police custody, it has now come to light that at least one Facebook group barred him from joining after they learned that he had apparent neo-Nazi links. My question is this: did one or more of these possible neo-Nazi links have access to his Facebook page, and update it after learning that he was captured alive and was in police custody?


  10. 07/24/2011 at 1:31 AM

    Pretty good NY Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp

    It paints a picture of someone with the notion that he must fight multiculturalism and the advance of Islam in Europe via armed resistance–and no better place than to take it out on the Libs that are allowing it all to happen. He apparently views himself as a Christian and protector of Christendom…obviously we disagree.

    He is being compared to Tim McVeigh and I would say, at this point, that’s not that far off. Sort of a loner with an axe to grind.


  11. ICA
    07/24/2011 at 11:43 AM

    I give the NY Times about as much weight as I do CNN and the Huffington Post when it comes to unbiased news reporting, ie, very little. But I think you’ll also be interested to read this:

    “… I’ve read several accounts that describe the Oslo murderer as ‘a Norwegian Timothy McVeigh.’ The crime in downtown Oslo does resemble the Oklahoma City atrocity–a powerful vehicle bomb, possibly a fertilizer bomb, detonated near a government building for the purpose of causing mass casualties. Then, after initial alarm about Islam, we hear that the alleged perpetrator is a crazed right-wing zealot bent on killing as many of his fellow citizens as possible.

    Yes, Oslo and Oklahoma City definitely have a lot in common in this regard.

    But one thing many people seem to forget–and which they may never have known, thanks to the American government’s actions and the media spin that followed–is that there almost certainly was an Islamic terror connection to the Oklahoma City bombing.”

    Read more: Something Rotten in the State of Norway.

    And also:


  12. 07/24/2011 at 1:04 PM

    We’ll see. Its still early; I think more will be uncovered. But don’t make the mistake of jumping to a conclusion that supports your preconceptions of what happened just because early reports called it Islamic terrorism, and then not budge from that position when more information comes out to the contrary.

    Frankly I think the Islamic terrorism connection theory to Oklahoma City is hogwash. McVeigh clearly had his own problems with the gov’t, and a fertilizer bomb is not very difficult to put together.

    It seems Mr. Breivik too had a long history of difficulty with the liberal party in Norway, quite separate of any altered Facebook page on the day of the shooting. Did you read the Times article or just dismiss it, since it carries the same weight as CNN? (I disagree–yes, CNN is mostly garbage reporting; the Times, while reliably liberal, at least has the luxury of going in depth). The Times made reference to Breivik’s original Facebook page, shown in your other post, which certainly identifies him as being on the conservative fringe, though not Christian.

    Finally, just as there is an “Islamic terrorist” profile, there is also a “lone gunman” profile. There have been many cases of marginalized loners going berzerk, causing carnage. To accept the one doesn’t isn’t to deny the reality of the other. Certainly Islamic terrorism is the predominant danger in the world today, but if that isn’t what this is, let’s not call it that.


  13. ICA
    07/24/2011 at 5:07 PM

    It is still early, yes, and I look forward to reviewing all details as they become available, regardless of where they lead. But I think we should be mindful to keep an open mind to all possibilities and to not arrive at simply one politically ‘preferred’ conclusion based on official statements only. Sometimes they’re carefully worded and spun to bring the public to a politically favored conclusion. I’ve learned through the years that if there is any possible way for the gov’t to deny any links to Islamic terrorism that they will always do so, whether motivated by political correctness and ‘sensitivities’, or to soften any potential economic impact. In fact, I believe that if 9/11 would have only involved one hijacked plane instead of four that the official line would have been that this was the result of a catastrophic mechanical failure. But two planes into the WTC, one in the Pentagon, and the other crashing in PA made it impossible to deny.

    The same was true with respect to the possible Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing. I’ve looked into that years ago myself and could never find any reason to discount it, nor could I find the smoking gun to prove it. But in my opinion the accumulated weight of circumstantial evidence did suggest that there was some type of Iraqi/Islamic support behind the scenes. I could just never figure out why, if true, McVeigh would allow himself to be used as this type of pawn.

    At the end of the day the Oslo incident may also prove to have circumstantial evidence suggesting something other than the official line, but until then we should look at all anomalies behind the story on one line, no matter how contradictory to the official line they may at first appear to be. Often times the truth is somewhere in between.


  14. 07/24/2011 at 5:50 PM


    Without looking very hard (written by Reuters, and yes I know, very PC group-thinky), here are some statements that are pretty black and white–either they’re true, or not, no matter who they were penned by:

    “…Breivik posted a 1,500-page manifesto, written in English, on Friday, describing his violent philosophy and how he planned his onslaught and made explosives.

    The killings would draw attention to the manifesto entitled “2083-A European Declaration of Independence,” Breivik wrote.

    “Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike,” he added.

    The manifesto posted by Breivik, a self-styled founder member of a modern Knights Templar organization, hints at a wider conspiracy of self-appointed crusaders and shows a mind influenced by the fantasy imagery of online gaming.

    “The order is to serve as an armed Indigenous Rights Organization and as a Crusader Movement (anti-Jihad movement),” he writes in the document, chunks of which are cut and pasted from other far-right, anti-Islam documents on the Internet.

    Breivik says he is not against immigrants who integrate and reserves a lot of his fury for a liberal European political establishment he views as promoting Europe’s destruction.

    He hints at a wider conspiracy in the document, saying that the Knights Templar, a medieval order of crusading warrior monks, had been reconstituted in London in 2002.

    Breivik attacks the “Islamic colonisation and Islamisation of Western Europe” and the “rise of cultural Marxism/multi-culturalism.”

    A video posted on YouTube called “Knights Templar 2083” showed pictures of Breivik, including one of him in a scuba diving outfit pointing an automatic weapon…”

    So I guess one would need to read his manifesto to get the clearest picture of what this dude believed. It seems pretty evident that he was opposing the Islamisation of Europe.

    And yes, I will continue to keep an open mind, but I’m not going to buy some kook theory or ignore facts just because I want to find Islam as the perpetrator.


    • ICA
      07/24/2011 at 10:41 PM

      There’s the Left, and there’s the Right, then there’s the Insane. His actions were insanity gone awry. Thinking that he didn’t commit a crime murdering all those innocent people and believing that what he did was ‘necessary’ or the best way to make some kind of political point could only have been conjured up within the sick mind of a madman. Seems, too, like his sick mind struggled to come up with anything not already regurgitated by blood-thirsty maniacs:

      “Anders Behring Breivik, the chief suspect in Friday’s twin terrorist attacks in Norway, copied passages from infamous American Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski’s manifesto and used them in his own writings, according to a Norwegian website that publishes political commentary, analysis and essays.

      Hans Rustad, editor of the website Document.no, writes that Breivik’s 1,500-page political manifesto, titled ‘A European Declaration of Independence’ and posted on the website (link in Norwegian) along with other writings by Breivik, copied some of Kaczynski’s document almost verbatim.

      The website editor noted that the alleged gunman replicated passages 6 through 23 of the Unabomber’s manifesto, but made some slight changes.

      For example, Breivik replaced the word ‘leftist’ with ‘cultural Marxist;’ while ‘leftism’ was replaced with ‘Multiculturalism’ and ‘cultural Communism,’ according to Rustad.” (LA Times).

      Nobody is saying that Islam was definitely the perpetrator behind his actions, only that there are some incongruities early on in the entire account that warrant additional scrutiny.

      Like Kaczynski, Breivik was disturbed. He may have been a neo-Nazi. Or an Anarchist. And now a cold-blooded killer. But a true conservative Christian he most definitely was not.


  15. 07/24/2011 at 6:05 PM

    I’m writing this right after my previous post, w/o reading anyone’s response to it…just FYI…

    I’m not probably the first one this thought is occurring to, but in the end Mr. Breivik’s atrocities will have the opposite of his intended effect: it will generate a public outcry against people who believe as we do–that Islam is the end times beast and inherently evil and antichrist. It will produce sympathy for the indirect victims–the Islamic immigrants among the Europeans. Violence, no matter who it is perpetrated by, draws people to Islam as it intrinsically violent, either due to awe, respect or fear.

    On the other hand, love and forgiveness of one’s enemies, even in the face of persecution and death, draws people to Christ. The biggest revivals seem to happen after the worst examples of persecution, historically.


    • ICA
      07/24/2011 at 11:16 PM

      It will definitely produce sympathy for Islamic immigrants, especially among the already left-leaning kumbaya crowd. And there’s nothing inherently wrong with immigrants who are Muslim. What better way to expose them to the Gospel of Christ than in a society that is free to preach it? The problem is not that new Muslims are immigrating to the West per se, but rather the problem is that a specific segment of the Muslim community refuses to integrate into Western society and begins promoting Islamic supremacy upon their host countries and communities instead. They begin treating non-Muslims as ‘dhimmis‘ who are obligated to placate to each and every one of their demands, including the implementation of Sharia Law while advocating religious segregation and hatred. The second problem is when leftist sympathizers and their enablers fail to recognize the looming catastrophe that they themselves unwittingly foster, both spiritually and culturally, and when a climate of political correctness inebriates reason. By the time they realize they have a serious problem on their hands, it will already be too late.


  16. ICA
    07/25/2011 at 10:38 AM

    Norway Terrorist proclaimed himself ‘Darwinian,’ not ‘Christian’

    “WASHINGTON – A review of Anders Behring Breivik’s 1,500-page manifesto shows the media’s quick characterization of the Norwegian terrorist as a “Christian” may be as incorrect as it was to call Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh one…

    Piecing together Breivik’s various posts on the Internet, many media reports have characterized the terrorist – who says he was upset over the multiculturalist policies stemming from Norway’s Labour Party – as a ‘right-wing, Christian fundamentalist.’

    Yet, while McVeigh rejected God altogether, Breivik writes in his manifesto that he is not religious, has doubts about God’s existence, does not pray, but does assert the primacy of Europe’s ‘Christian culture’ as well as his own pagan Nordic culture.

    Breivik instead hails Charles Darwin, whose evolutionary theories stand in contrast to the claims of the Bible, and affirms: ‘As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedence over biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science, and it must always continue to be that way. Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.’

    The terrorist also candidly admits he finds no support within either the Catholic or Protestant churches for his violent ideas.” Read more.


  17. 07/26/2011 at 6:36 PM

    Do you know anything about this?


    Would you read thru that and see if you can verify it?

    If true, I think this means our viewpoint is definitely on the enemy’s radar.


  18. ICA
    07/26/2011 at 7:06 PM

    If our viewpoint wasn’t on the enemy’s radar, then we’d not be doing our job in exposing the evil and hate.

    Matthew 5:11, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.”

    A lunatic such as Breivik quoting WND or blogs exposing the truth of radical Islam means nothing. In his delusional mindset he also quoted Winston Churchill and Ghandi. As Sun News host Ezra Levant stated in the video below, “obviously much of what he quotes was thoughtful and valid in it’s original context. I mean, this murderer doesn’t make Churchill worse. But Breivik has turned these words into justification for him to murder people today in his ‘revolutionary plan…

    Here’s where Breivik’s crimes have been transformed from a local tragedy — from a terrible mass murder and from the ravings of a lunatic — into the greatest political opportunity that liberals have had in years… Left-wing opportunists now have their ‘poster boy’, a ‘non-Muslim terrorist’, a ‘Christian fundamentalist’ in the words of the CBC that they can now use as a counter example whenever anyone is concerned about the war on terror, about 9/11, about al Qaida, about the PLO, about the Taliban, about the 10,000 or more Muslim terrorist attacks in the past 10 years, from the London subways to Bali to Beslan, Russia. They now have their ‘talking point’ to undermine the war on Islamic terror. But that’s not even the main goal of the CBC and their kind. They want to discredit some of the ideas that Breivik footnoted in his 770,000 word ramble. Like I say, he quoted from Liberals like Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins, and environmentalists like the ‘Unabomber.’ But his main thesis was his worry about radical Islam in the West, and that’s what the CBC and their friends want to do. They want to associate being concerned about radical Islam and the treatment of women in Islam, and the treatment of gays in Islam, with this mass-murderer. They want to delegitimize peaceful, reasonable, liberal discussions of these matters by tainting them with this murderer. You can feel it in the daily press coverage already …”

    Liberals will continue to be liberals. Even if an act of terrorism were to take place in their own back yards by Islamists hell bent on destroying Western civilization, many of them would continue to bury their heads in the sand looking for a ‘reasonable explanation’ such as ‘they live in poverty and hopelessness because of Western hegemony’, or excuse it by proclaiming that ‘other extremists on the right forced them to defend themselves’, or invent a conspiracy theory suggesting that it wasn’t really done by Muslims at all, etc. etc. etc. And this would be their modus operandi right up until they wake up to a world they no longer recognize …


  19. 07/26/2011 at 10:23 PM

    You’ll have to forgive me–CBC is sort of the Canadian equivalent of CNN? Seems so.

    I like Ezra’s comparison between the Una-bomber’s relationship to environmentalists (he mentions Al Gore, but the Una-bomber was mostly before Gore’s time in the spotlight) vs. Breivik’s to conservatives–good comparison.

    But my point about ‘being on the enemy’s radar’ was not that liberal news outlets will now use Breivik as the conservative terrorist poster child, but that the enemy was shrewd enough to influence Breivik in the first place to mention Shoebat and WND by name in his screed. Of course this then has the outcome we are observing.


    • ICA
      07/27/2011 at 12:17 AM

      Yes, like CNN, probably closer to the BBC.

      But that’s what the enemy is, and that’s what the enemy does. Lucifer was made with an immense intellectual capacity. He knows what he is doing and has just as much of an ability to contemplate each and every one of his moves today as he did on the day that iniquity was found in him. He is like a ravenous wolf, a roaring lion, who is out to deceive minds and lead many astray, who will place thoughts and ideas into the heart of man that can directly or indirectly mount an offensive against the ekklesia of God.

      1 Peter 5:8, “Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”

      With the Spirit of God in us the strong man is bound, but for someone like Breivik who rejected Christ, we see where that can lead …


  20. Willard
    07/26/2011 at 11:35 PM

    Norway the nation who helped bring about The Oslo Peace Accords certainly has suffered a tragic event at the hands of a lunatic and the left will certainly use this to promote their agenda. But there is a much larger picture here it would seem for the end days that we are in. A search on the internet for Europe and anti-Semitism includes Norway’s position regards the Palestinians and their push along with the many other nations to divide the land of Israel and Jerusalem. Almost all which are considering supporting the September vote at the UN for a Palestinian country with the intentions of dividing Jerusalem and the land of Judah.

    Also is it a coincidence that the bomb exploded right at the offices of the Nobel Peace Price. The Peace price given to Arafat and Obama for reasons only the Nobel Peace price people could know. Both of them anti Israel, Arafat to the extreme also Obama and which we still have to figure out why and what it is that he could have done to deserve such a price as the Nobel Peace price after only a few days in office.

    It truly it is a very sad day for Norway and its people especially those innocent people who certainly did not deserve the act that transpired. I know that it may sound harsh but is it not the truth that this is what God promised would happen to the nations of the world in Zech 12 that would try to divide Jerusalem. Bill Koenig.com in his comments “Eye to Eye” has an interesting list of what happens to those nations that turn against Israel, Jerusalem and try to pacify the Islamic world.


    Britain lost it status as an empire because it reneged on the Balfour agreement, Spain lost its empire in 1492 because it threw the Jews out of Spain, Hitler’s Germany gone, every historic enemy of Israel long gone and buried paid its price. Today we see what happened to Japan who supports dividing Jerusalem, Chile’s earthquakes, and even the USA under Bush when it began the idea of the two state solution for the land of Israel which set off in 2008 the beginning of the worlds worst financial crisis due to the love of money by it bankers and politicians and will more than likely bankrupt the entire world economy and will quite possibly allow in the creation of a new finacial order controlled by who?????.

    How many hurricanes like Katrina, tornadoes, floods through out the center of US and Canada that we has this summer and the world for that matter plus fires, dust storms do we have to go through before we return to the truth and stand up for Israel and put a stop to dividing up Gods land and Gods city. I am afraid that we are just beginning to see the beginning what is in store for the nations who are against Gods people who will allow the nations to bring upon themselves great disasters for their anti Semitism and the dividing of the land by this policy called a TWO STATE SOLUTION.



  21. 07/27/2011 at 10:44 AM

    ICA :
    Yes, like CNN, probably closer to the BBC.

    I’ve never watched it; we fired DirecTV and went to an antenna, so limited channels. “CBC” to me means “CA Bldg Code”.

    ICA :But that’s what the enemy is, and that’s what the enemy does. Lucifer was made with an immense intellectual capacity. He knows what he is doing and has just as much of an ability to contemplate each and every one of his moves today as he did on the day that iniquity was found in him.

    To we, who by God’s grace, have “eyes to see and ears to hear” its quite amazing to see how this evil intelligence is weaving through the current events. The Ekklesia has a mighty weapon though; may we dust off our prayer life privately and get together with other believers to storm the gates of Heaven and Hell with intercession.


  22. 07/27/2011 at 5:07 PM

    This massacre took place just a couple of days after the anti Jewish anti Israel statements by the Norweign Foreign Minister at the below link



  23. Willard
    07/27/2011 at 9:04 PM


    Comment below are from and by the Newine blog

    The day before Anders Behring Breivik opened fire on youths at a Labor Party camp, organizers welcomed the country’s foreign minister. Now, the foreign minister’s message from that day has been revealed: it was an anti-Israel speech in which he came out in strong support of a Palestinian state. That message was something being supported by the camp’s attendees, who were part of the ruling Labor Party’s socialist youth movement called AUF.

    Earlier in the week, Mahmoud Abbas had visited the PM in Norway. As John McTernan wrote last Wednesday, perhaps prophetically, a day before the PM’s speech, and two days before the shooting:

    The meltdown of the European Union continues to match its pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem. It is now a race to the bottom between the EU and the USA as they both continue to put suicidal pressure on Israel to divide Jerusalem. Right now it appears that the EU is in the lead, but at any moment America could surge ahead with Obama as president.

    By ‘suicidal’, he means, essentially, the Obadiah 1:15 warning:

    The day is near when I, the LORD, will judge the godless nations! As you have done to Israel, so it will be done to you. All your evil deeds will fall back on your own heads.

    I didn’t come up with that. God did.


  24. ICA
    11/30/2011 at 2:03 PM

    Well, it looks like psychiatrists all agreed. He has been declared clinically insane and unfit for trial.

    Psychiatric evaluation finds Norway killer insane

    “OSLO (AP) – Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik belongs in psychiatric care instead of prison, prosecutors in Norway said Tuesday after a mental evaluation declared him legally insane during a bomb-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people.

    The court-ordered assessment found that the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was psychotic during the July 22 attacks, which would make him mentally unfit to be convicted and imprisoned for the country’s worst peacetime massacre.

    The report, written by two psychiatrists who spent a total of 36 hours talking to Breivik, will be reviewed by a forensic panel before the Oslo district court makes a ruling on his mental state.

    Their conclusions surprised many outside experts and contrasted with earlier comments by the head of the review panel, who told the Associated Press in late July that it was unlikely that Breivik would be declared insane because the attacks were so carefully planned and executed…”


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